Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

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  1. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    That would result in a hung jury and the judge declaring a mistrial. He certainly would be retried.
     
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    Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist, said this under oath. He noted that Chauvin foot was of the ground, so half his weight was on the guys neck, and so the amount of oxygen he could get wasn't enough to remain alive for long but enough to talk. He also said that Chauvin kept on restricting him for over 3 minutes after his last breath. And there is where the cops come in saying the use of force was not necessary since there was no resisting.

    Hard to prove a corpse was still resisting arrest. But you can give it a try.
     
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    It's true lots of weight is put on and given to the medical examiner. However, their opinion is not always the correct one.

    Probably the defense will call a medical expert with a different perspective on the medical facts.

    I do recall past cases where someone had obviously died of one thing, indicating murder, but no investigation was carried out because no one ever questioned the findings of the coroner. That's how much weight one single person carries in this situation.
     
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    “A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died as a result of what he was subjected to,” Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonary critical care doctor and national breathing expert from Illinois, said after being asked whether a person with no pre-existing conditions would have survived the May 25 arrest.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/pulmo...al-that-george-floyd-died-of-low-oxygen-level
     
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    Indeed. And you can't keep doing that. The system is broken with experts who took years of intense studying needing to explain things to Joe the Plumber in a course of minutes so it can sink without them wondering off in their minds, while some people can not be helped but be biased from the start in favor of a cop for being a cop or just being against black people in favor for white people. It wouldn't be the first cop to get off. The killer of Eric Garner -who died in the same way-got off because Barr judged it to be like that on his own.
     
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    Biases go both ways.

    The Garner case was up to the state of New York prosecute. Loretta Lynch was the USAG when this incident happened. She had more than two years to prosecute, but she didn't.
     
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    The prosecutors had an entire line set up of medical experts who either reviewed the medical examiner or studied all the recording. There was even an expert saying how you can suffocate and still talk, and tell exactly when Floyd stopped breathing, and it was well over 3 minutes (top of my head) before Chauvin got up. So your idea of nobody questioned the coroner is gone.
     
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    I'd like to see his record as a cop. There's something "off" about this guy.
     
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    Biased both ways... but it only takes 1 biased person to get Chauvin off.
    While Lynch replaced the FBI team out of nowhere who were investigating that death of Eric, and is highly controversial... and than she ran off. While Barr just pulled the plug. The way Eric died is absolutely similar. A long choke hold. The medical examiners saying that the cop killed Eric. Other people dragging in all kinds of "but he wasn't healthy" nonsense. And the cop himself was found guilty behind the scenes by his fellow cops and got kicked out. The cop was a bad apple for years. His record showed he made people strip naked in public. He also made up that Eric was selling 10,000's of untaxed cigarettes to make it a felony, while he had less than 100 = on par with Floyd being killed for a lousy fake 20 bucks who he as far as anybody could have guessed didn't know was fake and was conned himself.
     
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    I believe you misunderstood the video. Floyd was stronger than Chauvin. Floyd desperately wanted out. What you think Chauvin doing was trying to recapture him as he bolted using his feet as power out of the back seat. Some think Chauvin pulled him out. But I do not believe that is what Chauvin did. Chauvin was the senior to all the cops on the scene until the Sgt. arrived.
     
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    Floyd simply outweighed Chauvin.


    Floyd was not physically capable of escaping from the back seat of that car, especially with his hands cuffed behind his back. The guy couldn't even sit without falling over. They struggled getting him into the car because he was large and either wouldnt or couldn't stand. Chauvin removed him from the back seat by dragging him out. That's a fact. It's made clear by watching one of the views of videos provided.
     
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    . Chauvin is a very small man. I'm sure he was taunted a lot. That taunting might have caused him to be impacted by a small man complex.
     
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    If Floyd was safely in the car, why would Chauvin want to pull him back out?

    Floyd was way more powerful than Chauvin.
     
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    I believe Chauvin is reported to weigh 140 pounds. Floyd was around 220 pounds and worked out.

    Floyds brother bragged he was a very good basketball player and also good as a football player.
     
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    It's inexplicable why Cauvin removed him from the car. It was incredibly stupid given the escalating situation in the immediate area.


    Floyd was in no physical condition to escape on his own.


    One one hand, some argue that he was effed up on a variety of debilitating dugs that he died from that. On the other hand some argue that he was a vicious animal and was a threat to all the officers there and needed to be zealously restrained.
     
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    So then Floyd wasn't a drug addled dirt bag who was on the verge of death through long term drug abuse?
     
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    Propaganda Alert!

    The ME said Chauvin killed Floyd.
     
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    We should wait on the defense. The prosecution evidence is strong enough that Chauvin needs to come up with an plausible explanation for Floyd's death that doesn't have him as the cause.
     
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    Bingo! He's making it up.
     
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    Is there such a safety net?? I'd feel a lot better about some of these cases if I knew that there was.


    You wouldn't happen to be be able to point this video out to me so I can watch it??

    All the video that I've seen makes it look like Floyd bolted out of the back of the car on his own.
     
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    There has been no evidence presented so far that supports your theory.
    No evidence supporting this theory, either.
     
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    I have no idea of evidence, but my understanding that holding someone prone can cause them breathing difficulties that can lead to death. I assume that this is what happened with both Eric Garner and George Floyd. I am not claiming that this is anything more than an assumption.

    I'd like to see an effort to develop new police tactics that avoid holding people prone like that.
     
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    The MPD teaches a safe restraint technique unless you are dealing with an idiot who takes a massive drugs overdose knowing he has a heart condition. I said appease black rioters, that's not racism, that's an unfortunate fact.

    He is, he's under pressure to avoid rioting, I am following the trial so I know what you're saying is incorrect, remember Floyd had fentanyl AND meth in his system plus his heart condition, it was the combination which killed him. So you think it's ok for the prosecution to have expert witnesses but not the defence?
     
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    He CANNOT say how much pressure Chauvin was using from the photo, that is something only known to Chauvin

    And we're going to see the defence practically demonstrate again and again that you can.

    Yes cops must always be given the benefit of the doubt but there is no evidence of any racism in the system, other way around, people don't want to convict black people and be thought racist. Once again Garner killed himself due to his health conditions and foolishly resisting arrest for a minor fine.

    Supposition, he seems to have been a respected veteran. Is is short? I thought he was just under 6 feet?

    Yeah, I mean Koon from the Rodney King affair became a computer programmer and Powell a chauffer (even drove Al Gore), lot of retired cops with their own businesses ready to lend a hand to them.
     
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    ‘Whining’?
    You call begging for his life whining?
    Says a lot about your bias.
     
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