Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

He explained that part. He was frightened that, if he reached back in for his seatbelt release, that the screaming policemen with the gun might shoot him. He did try to explain that fear to the policemen.

 

Perhaps you could explain how someone can cooperate to the following commands?
"Keep your hands outside the window, get out of the car, keep your hands outside the window, get out of the car, keep your hands outside the window, get out of the car". Meanwhile you're still buckled in your seat belt

 

The barrier was caused by the cop because he refused to tell the guy why he had been stopped. That raised everybody's anxiety. Then, he was told to keep his hands up. He was wearing a seatbelt so it was impossible for him to unlatch it or open the door with his arms up. He was afraid for his hands not to be in plain sight because he had NO idea why he was stopped and didn't want to risk being shot if he the officer thought he might be going for a weapon.

The officer could have easily defused the situation by being reasonable. He went way out of bounds. There are many good cops out there. Unfortunately there are some that aren't so good.

 

And what are these rights, rahl, and where are they written again?

They’re the very same natural rights inherent in every citizen that you claim don’t exist and aren’t written in the Constitution/Bill of Rights:

Through that entire thread you made the mistake of denying that all powers/rights are inherent in and possessed by the individual and that any and all powers/rights possessed by the government are derived from the individual and association of individuals we call “the People” and conferred to government.

In your early 12th Century fantasy land, or communist authoritarian country of your desire, Lt. Nazario has no rights but the rights the government grants him (as if those rights were privileges), and if the government doesn’t protect those rights, as was the case during the incident in Windsor, Lt. Nazario has no rights, much less some Bill of Rights containing a Fourth Amendment where those rights are expressed in writing to remind the government that derives all of its powers/rights from the citizens of this country what rights the government is obligated to respect - whether it chooses to respect and uphold those rights or chooses to violate them and deprive a citizen of those rights.

As I repeatedly told you before, you are wrong. The rights both exist and REMAIN.

Lt. Nazario’s rights didn’t magically disappear in the absence of the government’s defense of his inherent natural and constitutional rights or Lt. Nazario’s inability to defend those rights himself.

The rights continued to exist and remain.

It’s ironic and entertaining to find you accusing others of wanting to live in a communist authoritarian country when, as you were told by myself and others, you have supported the same position that every dictatorial government, including the communist authoritarian variety, has supported - that we have no inherent individual subjective natural rights. The only rights we have are the rights that the government arbitrarily decides to grant us, like scraps someone tosses to a dog from his table.

 

I'm glad he filed suit. The evidence will be presented and weighted and the Court will render a decision that will be both informative and binding. This is how we police the police. The evidence is presented to a jury of folks from the community and they render a decision. It does not appear to me that the police had probable cause to pull him over and one officer validated the fear that the driver verbalized.

 

In this case: guilty of being black and so prone to racial bias of unreasonable assaults by cops who got no reason to arrest you in the first place.

And the cops indeed had no reason to arrest, but did brutally assaulted a black officer, threatened to kill him, and illegally detained him.... fulfilling the stereotype of how cops behave against black people.

 

The only rights that exist are the rights man created for themselves. In the US, we decided we won’t permit anyone to search our person or property without probable cause. We decided we won’t permit anyone to detain us without probable cause. This is codified into law, and protected by force. Those are the only rights that exist. Rights that are protected by force. As you are perfectly aware.

 

Do you think that the proper response when the police pull you over and you don't think you have done anything wrong is to refuse their lawful orders, to argue with them? And if you continue to do so and when one grabs your arm to get you out of the car the proper response is to jerk it back. You really think that is going to deescalate their response. All the guy had to do was comply with their instructions to him and once they were sure no one else was in the car pointing a weapon at them from inside that blackout SUV, he could have shown the the bill of sale and how it matched the temp tag, that was behind those blacked out windows. And be on his way. OH the officers may have asked him to and even assisted him in putting the tag in it's proper place on the bumper where it could be seen.

 

Yea they could have TASED him for his non-compliance but the pepper spray worked. And I don't think they wanted to handcuff him but since they could not see into the vehicle make sure they were safe standing there and no one else was in the SUV. I do not have my vehicles blacked out so you can't see into them do you? I have no reason to believe had he simply got out of the vehicle they would have asked for the bill of sale he should be carrying, affirm he owned the vehicle and he would have been on his way. I don't know what he expected to happen other than they were going to ramp it up on him regardless of his "I'm military you should bother me". They weren't just going to say OH OK you don't want to show your ID and the papers on the car fine go on and drive away.

 

As I have said go ahead and do as this guy did the next time the police pull you over, me I will follow their lawful instructions and then be on my law abiding way.

 

The same thing would have happened. They would have approached his blacked out SUV with perhaps less concern since he stopped immediately but they would have made sure they were protecting themselves until they could inspect the inside of the vehicle and who was in it and what they were doing. They would have instructed the driver to exit the vehicle. Then there would be two courses of actions either the person does it and the matter of the registration that was in question could be cleared up rather quickly or they could refuse and then force would be used.

Which course would you chosen?

 

The same thing would have happened, since these 2 cops are just 2 thugs who violate the law.


The initial idea was that the car had no rear license plate. It was behind the rear window, that both were able to spot with ease when walking by. And if they told the army officer what the problem was, he could have replied to it, and that would have been the legal end of it. This is was cops do, not thugs with badges. To demand he had to get out of his car, to be detained... is simply illegal since there were no grounds.


And so it seems you respect the job security of thugs with badges more than you respect the constitution.

 

Always drive to a well lit area with lots of witnesses when being pulled over. It's common sense 101 really but this cop took it as a threat I suppose.

 

There are witnesses at the gas station. If he pulled into an alley, who knows what accident might have happened. The cop knows he f'd up since he offered the lieutenant a quid pro quo. The cop got fired but now he can just work in the next county over.

 

You should be able to see I altered nothing. That is why we have the function I used, so I could respond to the part of your post I wanted to. Yes, best you place me on ignore.

 

Very true. Everywhere else I drive about 9 mph above the speed limit (and sometimes I risk a bit more if my Waze app shows no police around). In Virginia I drive at the speed limit (which is boring, but the speed traps in Virginia are all over the place). Going from NC to VA, it's impressive to see how everybody who is in the know suddenly drops to the speed limit when they cross the border. The fools who don't know of this reputation and keep going 9 above or more, we see them a few miles up, stopped by police.

 

The officer was wrong.

However, in most states, cities and counties the police are policed

 

Thanks for making my point. That was easy.

 

The proof is in the thousands of historical events witnessed over and over.

 

Really, what lie did they tell? Can't wait to hear this

 

A felony stop is a stop with guns drawn and removing the driver from the car. Thats all it is

 

yet thousands upon thousands of felony stops are made every year without incident. Go figure

 

They claimed he was evading arrest. Hope it was worth the wait.