Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

The ME said he died due to the restraint and neck compression... under oath.
It's at 0:33 in the vid.

Please stick to facts and the opinion of people who matter.

 

Since his foot was off the ground: yes he can.

The american psychological association says there evidence is racism in the law enforcement system. Human Rights Watch says the same.

And the cops are not allowed to use deadly force on a person, when they resist arrest if they pose no danger. So you know... stick to facts.

 

Agreed, they do according to expert witness testimony but what Chauvin did was not it. That was confirmed and corroborated by all police expert witnesses so far except perhaps the latest use-of-force expert testifying for the defense who also made multiple contradictory claims. And that included the claim that Chauvin did not use force because it did not cause pain.

And then according to you that gives the police license to use deadly force? I haven't heard any expert witness make that exception, did you or are you just making crap up? If not please provide a link to the quote made by any expert witness. And while you're doing that also please provide a link to the quote from any expert witness where in the above scenario, the police should refrain from providing any medical assistance.

Again and again? You have a crystal ball? Or did the defense give you access to all those on their list of expert witnesses who are going to testify to that? When do you think we are going to see just one (never mind many) medical expert witness contradict the pulmonogist's (Dr. Martin Tobin) testimony?

 

Chauvin apologists in this forum have a habit of inventing their own facts and contradicting expert witness testimony, they know better.

 

There is nothing in the autopsy, blood work or toxicology report that supports the M.E.s conclusion. That's because his conclusion is not based on his own autopsy or toxicology report. It is based on a short video clip just like the rioters. All medical science along with the autopsy and toxicology report says that Floyd died ten times over by his own conduct, drugs, lifestyle and preconditions. The Officers were just the unlucky saps who tried to arrest and subdue him. What's the purpose of an autopsy when you have a short, out of context video clip.

 

All medical science? Is this just your opinion or do you actually have a link to any expert opinion/article that agrees with the above? It seems to me you're just confirming what I posted just prior to your post.

 

I think so too - though that's just my opinion. It was suggested, twice, by the other officers that he should roll him on to his side - Chauvin said no. And then after being told that Floyd had no pulse, he continued his knee press. While I doubt he will, I would be fascinated to hear what he has to say about what was going on in his head.

 

You don't understand what "homicide" means still. It means another person was involved in the death. That's a different definition that one used in court proceedings.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...j0i22i30l6.9182j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Legal Conclusion. When a medical examiner identifies a manner of death as “homicide,” they are not drawing a legal conclusion. ... When a death is not from disease, homicide is simply one of the five permissible classifications of death.

Maybe read up a little?

 

For one or two seconds. Can't suffocate a person that fast.
The Defense is now on the job. Wait until all facts come in.

 

Floyds apologists want facts to be ignored due to racial bias.
Now the Defense gets to present their witnesses and experts.

 

Where is the definition of "homicide" when used in court proceedings? No one ever said that an autopsy conclusion of homicide means that the other person is guilty of murder.

Why did you leave out:

"According to the National Association of Medical Examiners (NAME), “[h]omicide occurs when death results from a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death.” In a publication entitled A Guide for Manner of Death Classification, NAME specifically notes “t is to be emphasized that the classification of Homicide for the purposes of death certification is a ‘neutral’ term and neither indicates nor implies criminal intent, which remains a determination within the province of legal "
processes.”

 

You're a bit late. Defence started yesterday and each of the three defence witnesses were destroyed. Worse than that, they helped the prosecution

 

Floyd is not on trial for murder, Chauvin is and Floyd is dead. So it makes no sense to characterize anyone as a "Floyd apologist" with respect to the Chauvin trial. What "facts" are being ignored due to "racial bias"?

That has already started and so far there are no "facts to be ignored due to racial bias" that I know of.

 

I am aware that the defense of Chauvin has started. I believe Chauvin has facts on his side.

 

Not in the video I posted. It's not a chest compression restraint.

 

"Homicide is the killing of one person by another. This is a broad term that includes both legal and illegal killings. For example, a soldier may kill another soldier in battle, but that is not a crime. There are various situations in which the killing of another person does not constitute a crime. The distinction between an illegal and legal killing is, therefore, the difference between murder and manslaughter".

 

He had Floyd's medical information.

 

Yea, and your point is what. The autopsy still stated that Chauvin was the other party in the homicide

 

That

That IS the point. There is a difference between how those terms are used depending on ME's office v court docs.

 

And what does that gain for Chauvin ?

 

There is no plus or minus for using the correct terms. It's just being accurate and that's pretty important.

 

The video you posted wasn't Chauvin on Floyd. It didn't and doesn't seem relevent.

 

Propaganda Alert!

This is an flat out misrepresentation of the testimony by prosecution witnesses. The ME who did the autopsy said Floyd's death was caused by Derek Chauvin.

 

I know that.
And it does mean the ME has put the very vast amount of the blame of the death of Floyd on Chauvin.
So you bringing up drugs and his condition of his heart, is NOT on par with the ME.

And the legal conclusion comes from his fellow cops who all said that Chauvin breach their standards and caused the death for no good reason at all.

 

They had a lunch expert explain exactly how Chauvin suffocated Floyd.
He also told the jury Chauvin was still busy with suffocating while Floyd ended breathing for the last 3 minutes that he was on top of him.
Those are facts. I'm not seeing you accepting this expert.