Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

Where did I say that the technique used as trained is deadly? Not once have I even posted about the technique itself so try again. Now, just to remind you again,

Did Chauvin regularly check Floyd's vital signs as instructed during those nine minutes? Answer - No

Did Chauvin listen to other officers saying that Floyd should be rolled over as instructed? Answer - NO

Did Chauvin start CPR as required as a first responder when an officer stated that he could not feel a pulse?
Answer - No

Did Chauvin keep his knee on Floyd's neck for an additional Three minutes after Floyd died Answer - Yes

 

I've seen multiple posters claiming that technique kills people, which it doesn't.
1. No, he had someone else do it.
2. He's in charge of the situation, that's his call.
3. He's not required to do anything but wait for the medics who were enroute.
4. Sure he did, he's waiting on EMS and transport to arrive.

 

You've just found Chauvin guilty as charged

 

Except no...I'd give him a medal and free ice cream for life. He dealt with that narcotics fueled felon while constantly being second guessed by people who have NO IDEA what that job is like.

 

Expert blames George Floyd's death on heart rhythm problem (apnews.com)
I can't stomach a heart rhythm problem with a knee to the neck.

 

This defense expert witness, who is not a pulmonogist and is not a cardiologist, contradicted the corroborative testimony of 3-4 expert witnesses. He suggested that Floyd died from a sudden cardiac event caused by a combination of his pre-existing conditions and/or drugs and/or carbon monoxide poisoning despite the fact that Chauvin's knee was on his neck for 9:29 mins. And he also claims that Chauvin did not cause his death through positional asphyxia. He didn't know if the car's engine was even running nor did he take any breathing measurements or know of any toxicology reports that showed carbon monoxide poisoning. He did agree though on cross examination that Chauvin should have provided medical assistance.

 

We can reasonably infer how much of Chauvin's weight was on Floyd by the frame-by-frame position of his body.

But you can also die from the application of lethal force, even if you're reasonably healthy.

You're actually going to suggest authorities go easier on black people? Based on what?

So far, it looks like Chauvin is guilty of at least manslaughter, unless he can come up with a plausible explanation Floyd died from something else. I haven't seen all of the testimony today, but it doesn't look like the defense is off to a good start.

 

Oops. That leads to at least a manslaughter conviction.

 

So, they complied and let him out of the back of the cop vehicle. He was on his knees with his hands cuffed behind his back. He wasn't struggling. In fact, he said 'thank you' when they took him out. Using the terminology of the Defense's 'expert' witness yesterday (the state park cop), he didn't pose a threat or risk at that point. So why was he then put in the prone position?

 

We can all guess whether or not Chauvin will testify. I don't think he will.

 

This all leads to at least a manslaughter conviction.

 

It depends on the issue.

The ME said the immediate cause of Floyd's death was the actions of Officer Chauvin.

 

If he wouldn't have OD'd on 3.5X the lethal limit of fentanyl then we wouldn't be having this conversation. They should have just thrown him in the back of the car and let him die all by himself.

 

The issue we are discussing is Mr. Floyd's heart. Was is weak and diseased as per the ME or strong and healthy as per this cardiologist.

 

He fought his way out and ended up on the ground, they weren't going to try and lift this 240 lb what 6'4' muscular guy again. They wanted the struggle to stop and him calm for the arriving any second ambulance. They weren't going to take a chance on having to overpower him again a threat a person in his condition presents. You have him prone on the ground he is in control and cannot suddenly struggle with you again because of your limited movement. Put him on his side and he has a free arm and a free leg and can use his whole body against you. Why didn't Floyd just sit quietly in the SUV where they wanted him?

 

What medical condition did Floyd have that lying prone, face down, would have caused him to lose his life?

 

I don't know they are required to they are not EMT's, he was talking up until the time he died which can't be exactly determined as was testified. CPR doesn't start until they can securely do it. Even the paramedics arrived and didn't begin immediate CPR, they decided the environment dictated a "load and go" and had to drive several blocks away.

He was going into cardiac and pulmonary arrest before they even attempted to put him into the SUV. Why didn't he just stay there.

 

Not the issue. Floyd didn't have a heart attack.

 

It was Floyd who fought his way out the other side and towards the ground, Chauvin wasn't just going to let him hang out the vehicle. Are you trying to say that what they were doing, the plan, was to put Floyd through one backdoor and through the SUV and the pull him out the other side? Why would they do that. They wanted nothing more than for Floyd to be sitting quietly in the SUV awaiting the arriving any second and in fact the EMT witness said they took longer than expected ambulance.

 

Correct it was heart/pulmonary failure enhanced by the lethal dose of drugs he took and the struggle he brought upon himself.

 

Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker ruled Floyd's death last May a homicide and identified the cause as "cardiopulmonary arrest" that occurred during "law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression" -- all findings he stood by in court on Friday.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-10/index.html

 

Correct, but that's not a heart attack (myocardial infarction). Everyone who dies suffers cardiopulmonary arrest. I went through that a bunch of posts ago. All medical expert witnesses testifying for the prosecution concur that the substantial causal factor was law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression (i.e. the actions of Chauvin). And that is a primary element of Chauvin's criminal charges.

 

Why can't you wait for the defense to put forward its theory of why Floyd died?

 

It doesn't kill people if its done properly! Just like handling a firearm doesn't kill anyone if its done 'properly'. And when you don't?

 

The prosecution witnesses made it clear Floyd died because Chauvin pressed down on his neck and back.