HOUSE AND SENATE DEMOCRATS PLAN BILL TO ADD FOUR JUSTICES TO SUPREME COURT

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  1. PrincipleInvestment

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    It's definitely the intent of H.R. 1 to guarantee they will stay in power. Creeping socialism was their strategy before they won the Senate and Biden won the presidency, but now it's sprint to the finish line socialism. Once (D)s eliminate MTRs, eliminate the filibuster, pack the SCOTUS and institute universal mail in ballots, how do you get them out of office?
     
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    They should simply do it. Perfect world.
     
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    If they make it to 13, GOP just raise it to 21 next time and crush the liberals who hate America!
     
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    Exactly, but that IS their goal. 4 justices right now, while they control both chambers and the oval oval office and can make universal mail in ballots a reality ... they won't need any more justices in the future ... 'cause there'll be no future for the constitution.
     
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    Well let's look at it from the Liberals side: Citizens United, and/or Hobby Lobby. And on the conservative side, there was the issue of the Court recently de-facto amending the CRA with its court ruling. The Court is politicized by making largely political rulings, since when has the Court decided on a criminal trial basis?(Obviously, it's not a criminal court.)

    The SCOTUS as it exists, was always meant for and would be abused. Inevitably. Even Thomas Jefferson regretted the decision to create the Court. If political decisions are made to be constitutional, that should be the directive of the constitutional(legislative) or state bodies. A court is incapable of making those decisions. All a court can do is hammer a verdict.
     
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    Yeah, like many things it was once good, but now you have two parties that are not all that different and all either care about is being in power. When the two parties in the two party system no longer care about the country, it is time for a change.

    We have no hope of remaining the land of the free with the current two party system.
     
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    I voted with the country every 2 years, what are you talking about? Do you not go vote when everyone else is? Do you vote in April or something?
     
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    Have a platform that people actually want to vote for. The GOP's problem is not the Dems, it is that they are bleeding voters because they appeal to an ever decreasing number of voters.
     
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    Wrong. Record breaking GOP voter turn out.
     
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    The other good news is Joe from WV will not vote for this!
     
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    The exit polls of how people voted almost matched the outcome exactly. Also if there was massive fraud in the presidential race which Biden won, then by all reason there was or should have been massive fraud down ballot. Down ballot the GOP picked up 14 house seats, 2 state legislatures and a governorship.

    Also since I follow independents very closely, the independent vote for Biden 54-41 2020, was almost identical to the midterms when independents went for Democratic congressional candidates 54-42. Now if one looks at independents and 2016, they went for Trump 46-42 over Hillary with 12% voting third party against both Trump and Hillary. If one adds up Hillary's 42% of the independent vote and adds the 12% who voted against Trump and Hillary, that comes out to 54%. The exact percentage of the independent vote Biden received. Independents were never in love with Trump, not even in 2016. Trump won the independent vote back then because Hillary was a bit more disliked by them than Trump.

    In 2020, Trump was a lot more disliked by independents than Biden was. 47% of independents viewed Biden favorably or positive, 42% negative or unfavorably. Trump in 2020, 39% of independents viewed Trump positive or favorably, 60% unfavorably or negatively.

    In 2016 40% of independents had a favorable view of Trump, he dropped a point. The big difference is Biden at 47% favorably was 20% higher among independents than Hillary's 27%. Trump was also viewed unfavorably by 57% of independents in 2016 vs. 60% in 2020. Trump's numbers didn't change much in 4 years, but Biden was well received by independents in 2020 whereas Hillary wasn't.
     
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    Roberts tries to keep the SCOTUS out of politics as much as possible. I doubt he will issue a statement one way or the other. Perhaps the more ideological ones might.

    I also agree McConnell and the GOP ought to go on record stating if the Democrats add 4, when the GOP returns to power, they'll add six. This whole adding justices to the SCOTUS is asinine in my opinion. It's amounts to nothing more than an attempted ideological power grab.
     
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    So basically that the court makes political decisions? I'm not following why that's a big problem. Do you mind explaining it in more detail?
     
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    So you basically agree with my summary of your previous comments. You would rather the Republic go down the tubes so long as that meanie couldn't tweet from the White House. I'm gobsmacked that someone who so hated the "childish antics like name calling and throwing temper tantrums" ended up voting as a temper tantrum. If you decided to vote based on "personalities and not issues" than you've blown the most important election of this generation out of your own temper tantrum.

    The Democrats were pretty clear on what they were going to do; they discussed it all last year, and they are keeping their promises. And those promises are various policies to ensure Republicans never regain power again. That's the whole point with the Court Packing/Two new States/ Amnesty. Did you think they were just joking?

    Frankly I don't care who you vote for in 2022 or 24 or whenever. None of those elections will mean as much as the one you took a mulligan on. But at least you can be smug about it.
     
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    Are you one of those "everything is court packing" nuts who think the GOP packed the court and this is simply just desserts? Next thing you'll be telling me that court packing is infrastructure.
     
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    Well yeah.
     
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    I would disagree especially with the first point but I’ll get to that in a moment. You’ll have to pardon me for not believing the polling was legitimate when nearly every poll that you speak of oversampled democrats and undersampled either or both republicans and independents. There are VERY few examples of those polls that didn’t do such.

    But are you expecting us to believe that a man who did little campaigning, had zero ground game and didn’t knock on doors until 2 months before the election and couldn’t fill up a high school gym with supporters produced tens of millions of more votes than Obama? Even a leftist can’t believe that.

    As for your first point I believe what you described shows us that there WAS fraud. Meaning, you’re expecting us to believe that republicans up and down the ballots in nearly all of the battleground states wiped the floor with the democrats... EXCEPT when it came to the most important positions within the state.

    Here’s what I think happened. The democrats knew they were going to get wiped clean. So they used COVID as a cover to force mass mail-in voting and in many states sent out millions of ballots to people who never requested them and have never even voted in their lives. Those same democrats used their positions to manipulate the mail in voting rules in order to make fraud more difficult to detect. Such as not requiring signature verification.

    The democrats then proceeded to send in ballots with fraudulent signatures on the envelopes. But the democrats are lazy. They didn’t fill out the whole ticket (or perhaps they did it to not appear as if they didn’t a clean sweep). Either way, they were counting on the fact that the ballot counters had tens of millions of ballots to check and just as many signatures to verify and almost zero training on signature verification.

    This is why none, count them not ONE state has done a full signature verification. If the mail in vote was legitimate then we should have as many unique envelopes with unique signatures that match the voter records as we do mail in ballots. If we dont, there’s a problem.
     
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    And still far, far short of DNC voter turnout. And since the election the GOP numbers have dropped to decade low numbers as they bullshit they and Trump pulled turned off all but the most right wing of the right wingnuts.
     
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    You’re reading the people wrong. The people that have dropped off are the ones pissed off that the republicans refuse to fight back and submitted to the DNC like a bunch of cucks. The people who feel like their vote was stolen in a fraudulent election.
     
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    Republicans have made the Supreme Court a big item in elections, a way to fire up the base and get out the vote. Somehow, I don't see this being a winner for the Democrats since Republicans would only use it the same as they always have. Vote to stop the Radical Left from packing the Supreme Court! BLARGH!!
     
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    Democrats made packing the Supreme Court an issue in 2020.
     
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    Biden got millions more votes than Obama because there were 10 million more people in the country. He still got a smaller percent of the vote than Obama did.

    But you are missing why Biden won, it was not because he was Biden, it was because he was not Trump. Trump choose to make this election a battle between Trump vs Not-Trump, because he believed like you that crowd size translated to votes. I know a lot of people that voted for Biden and none were happy about it, but they were happy to vote for "not Trump".

    The irony here is that Trump lost for the very same reason he won in 2016, in that election it was Hillary vs Not-Hillary
     
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    What part of "record GOP voter turn out" do you not understand? Your tirade doesn't change the fact you were wrong. The GOP isn't "bleeding voters". The obvious hatred for Trump that you display, and the ease of being able to express that hatred through mail in balloting is why the DNC out performed the GOP. Your "revised" claim of declining GOP "numbers" has to be based on polling. Unless you can show me data indicating there are fewer registered GOP voters now, than there were on Nov. 4 2020 ... you are wrong again.
     
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    Please ... he's using polling stats, not voter registeration data. Registered (R)s haven't switched parties or disappeared from voter registries. You limit mail in voting and the potential for fraud and the DNC advantage evaporates.
     

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