There is a viable compromise on the court packing issue.

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    The Democrats proposed today expanding the U.S. Supreme Court by four justices. Obvious the goal being to pack the Supreme Court with four Biden nominees which one could assume would compensate for the two extra justices that President Trump managed to appoint.


    While it might seem like this is an all or nothing proposal, it can be tweeked to become a viable compromise.


    1) Expand the court by two justices effective in 2022. This gives President Biden and the liberals a guaranteed two Supreme Court seats to fill.


    2) Expand the court by another two justices effective in 2025. This would mean that although it is possible that Biden would have two more justices to appoint, it is equally possible a Republican president would get to fill those seats. Or that even if Biden (or another Democrat) was president in 2025, that the GOP might control the Senate giving the GOP input into the filling of the seats.


    While expanding the court is NOT my preference, I think this shows that even on the most difficult issue, compromise is doable.


    Opinions?
     
  2. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    An even better idea would be to appoint justices based on something other than their perceived political leanings and ideology.
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    R’s changed threshold for judicial nominees this go around to pack the court. They’d need to win back the Senate to secure they would have “input”.
     
  5. Zorro

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    Expand it by 50 justices, one from each State.

    The current Court Packing scheme by Dems suffers from a fatal flaw.
    If the country can be thrown into chaos by the retirement of a single 81-year-old man, the Supreme Court has become too important, and too sensitive to small changes, to play its role constructively as it’s currently made up.
    It’s a committee made up of lawyers in robes and fancy building.
    End the Harvard-Yale monopoly
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-justices-more-like-america-column/749326002/[/quote][/quote]
     
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  6. Zorro

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    ‘THE MODERATE LEFT IS GONE:’ Republicans line up to condemn Dems’ plan to introduce a bill to pack Supreme Court with four new justices — erasing the GOP majority.
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/444395/
     
  7. GrayMan

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    I'd rather they have 20 Years terms for Justices and thereby give more opportunities to replace justices.
     
  8. lemmiwinx

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    I don't believe the framers of the Constitution intended for nine black robed omnipotent Supreme Court justices to rule over every aspect of our lives. Like they're doing now in case you haven't noticed. Isn't nine enough? I'd reduce them to five if I had a say.
     
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  9. GrayMan

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    The whole reason the left is doing this is because they want to 'reinterpret' the constitution instead of going through the proper process and amend the constitution.
     
  10. Steady Pie

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    Or you could not pack the court, just an idea.
     
  11. Chrizton

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    Gonna be kind of hard to pass this through the senate in a reconciliation bill I am guessing.
     
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    wouldn't that totally defeat the purpose?
     
  13. Zorro

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    Why would we compromise with an attack on the legitimacy of the Supreme Court? First, this won't pass the Senate. Second, if Schumer does attack the Court. Just as the GOP invoked the Reid and Biden Rule, they'll invoke the Schumer rule and expand the Court again.

    So, if they do this, the State Legislatures should convene an assembly to drafts some constitutional amendments that will bring the Federal government's focus back to their duties, not pursuing partisan agendas. For example:
    1. Restore the Senate to the Chamber for the State Legislatures by empowering the State Legislature to recall their Senator on a majority vote.
    2. End this absurd concentration of power in a single appointed Justice that has gotten so out of hand that a retirement or death of a single 80 year old provokes back to back national crises. Clearly each Justice has far too much power and clearly the Federal Government cannot be trusted to reasonably fill the bench if they start expanding the Court in order to gain a political edge, therefore, empower each State Governor to appoint a single justice for confirmation by the State Legislature with a guaranteed up/down vote within 45 days.
    3. 12 year term limits for Congress.
    4. And to address Congress' repeated failures to address the needs of the American People, if a majority of the State Legislatures approve the identical bill, it goes to the President's desk for signature, with veto override if passed by 2/3rds of the various State Legislatures.
    That should get their attention, and get them back on task, the work of the American People.
     
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    They invoked the Reid Rule.

    If Schumer packs the Court, at the first opportunity the GOP will pack it further with the Schumer rule, demonstrating that the Federal Government can no longer be trusted with filling the Supreme court, therefore, the State Legislatures should remove this power from the federal government and take over this duty. Each Governor may appoint a single Supreme Court Justice, with the Justice granted an up/down confirmation vote in the State Legislature within 45 days of appointment. When a State's Justice dies or retires, they may appoint a new one.
     
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    Democrats to America—Screw You, We Wanna Expand SCOTUS.
     
  16. Durandal

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    Your party sir abandoned that pretext 40 years ago.
     
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    Nine is fine.
     
  19. Just A Man

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    The Supreme Court has worked just fine for the past 100 years, and more. It was sometimes liberal and sometimes conservative in it's rulings. Leave the freaking number alone and work on securing the border. The Supreme Court is not a crisis, the southern border is. Where the hell is the dumb arse media?
     
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    What makes you think ANY Republicans would go for the deal you outlined? 0% chance any Republican Congressman supports giving Biden ONE added SCOTUS pick.
     
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    Yeah, it's the Left that's been cramming judiciary seats with judges who have extremist views for the last couple of decades, trying to chip away at accepted precedents to reinterpret the Constitution (like with Corporations being, "people"). That's the strangest case of dyslexia, you have there, that I've ever heard of.
     
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    I think the justices should be chosen at random. Each side gets to pick say 5 judges. Then those judges need to go through the approval process like any other nomination. This process continues until there are 10 judges to choose from. Then the one judge that gets selected is chosen completely at random. This way, through the approval process, both sides make sure that the candidate is someone they can live with, because they do not know exactly which one will get chosen. I think this would help keep the Supreme Court impartial as possible.
     
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    Pelosi says adding justices ain't going to happen. Looks like we'll have a showdown of Obama vs Pelosi.
     
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    Your post's fatal flaw is that you didn't notice the link in post#3-- Nancy Pelosi has no intention of bringing this to the floor.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/15/pelosi-dismiss-progressive-court-packing-bill-481895

    So you can lower your skirts & stop shrieking.

    The Dem caucus is not fully for it,
    either, despite your erroneous, horror-news article.

    Try recognizing a non-starter when you see it, the way most Dems do when Marjorie Taylor-Greene shares one of her bright ideas.

    Biden is the leader of the Democratic Party, on the whole; and he is the President. Nothing like this even has a prayer, without his backing, and he's waiting to hear from a commission he just gave the green-light to form. Get back to us with your alarmist hyperbole in a year.
     
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    But Nancy IS a radical liberal loon. Primarily, because she has no direct moral compass that keeps her on a rational track.
    She, like most others caught insider-trading, voted for the bill to block it. Then she, like most others quietly voted for the added wording that gutted the bill's power.
    Then, March 19th her husband bought $10 million in Microsoft stock options; 10 days later (March 29th) the government awarded Microsoft a massive contract and their stock jumped 11%, making $1,100,000.00 for her family.


    When you are liberal enough to think you are not subject to the laws you pass but others are.... you are a radical loon, devoid of actual personal character.
     

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