As of April 5, 2794 persons have died following Covid vaccinations.

As of April 5, some 167,000,000 doses of the Covid vaccines have been administered.
Out of that number about 2800 persons have died immediately following the Covid vaccines. This is based on data reported to the VAERS government site. (Source: CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
and https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html )

In my opinion, given the self-preservation nature of the medical profession on vaccines, they are going to say that 'that deaths following a vaccine doesn't prove the vaccine caused the deaths'. There are two ways of looking at that statement. 1. as the 'truth', or 2. as 'Of course they are going to say this, for to say otherwise will scare people from not getting the vaccine, and they already have a big enough problem.'. I'm inclined to go with #2.

Still, Statistically, that is fairy small, about .00167%. Okay, let's do some 'lives saved stats'. Of that population, if they hadn't been vaxxed, 3.3 million which is 2% might have gotten Covid, and let's say 90% of those were prevented from getting the disease in a serious degree which is about 3 million. Of that number, 1% would have died, so Covid vax has saved 30,000 lives, but caused 2.8 thousand deaths. Therefore, the vaccines are saving far more lives than the deaths they are causing. If my math is wrong, enlighten me, but even with corrections, it will be a variation of this theme, eh?

But, here's the thing, 99% of those who will get covid will not die anyway, and those will not die anyway, when they get the vax,their chances of dying have now increased by .00167%.

Yes? Am I wrong?

Thing is, there is no way to know in advance who they are. But, if you have had Covid, and you have lived, you have the antibodies, and, from where I sit, it makes NO sense to get the vaccine if you have had the disease.

Here is another fact. the mRNA vaccines, the long term effects are UNKNOWN. mRNA vaccines are not like typical vaccines at all, they are nothing like them, they are totally new. There have been trials going on on mRNA vaccines for a number of years ( but not on this particular covid vax ) but trials are conducted on small groups of people and cannot predict the larger population because they exclude less than healthy people during clinical trials which they do not in the wild. This is a phenomenon called 'Healthy User Bias" ( HUB, of clinical trials, and the CDC acknowledges this fact).

Now, safety stats are fairly good for the number of vaccines administered thus far, but those are NOT long term stats. Personally, if there are long term effects, they are going to say 'no way to prove the effect was due to the vaccine'. When it comes to safety stats in vaccines, I do not trust the industry to give the truth, because they don't want the truth known because if the truth is known, people shy away from getting vaxxed, and they have a big enough problem with this, as it is. Fine, but I want the truth. Don't you?

And, here's another truth. On the VAERS gov site, reportage is voluntary, and they so state, on the site, that the numbers reported is only a small percentage of the actual numbers. so, 2,794 deaths reported is the smaller percentage of WHAT??????

FYI, I got the shot, so I'm not an 'antivaxxer', I'm just ****ing asking questions, so cut me some slack.

 

The VAERS site only requirement is a death sometime number of weeks after a death. Trying to claim all of these deaths from the vaccines is utterly unconnected, and that more than a couple, or very possibly none, died from the vaccine.

And the gact that after 8 months or so of jabs, it remains to be maybe ONE or two, deaths, but still undefined reasons of 100,000. 160 million or more also is nomore deadly

The VAERS site is voluntar but the bias for voluntary voting is going to be MORE likely to report severe reactions and deaths, not fewer.

Invert the likelyhood of problems will be a better consideration of problems.

 

A good post.

Because VAERS is a voluntary system, I suspect the numbers are shy of the real numbers. I know 2 friends who did have reactions requiring hospitalization, but it's not likely they made it into the database.

I gain no advantage by taking the shot, and I don't feel like being a lab test rat.

I'm surprised that so many pregnant women have taken it. Some say those women may conceive again, but will not be able to carry the baby to term.

 

Some say the earth is flat.

Some say the earth is hollow with another world inside of it.

Some say that there is no space and the stars are just dots of light in the canopy.

Some say this is all just a simulation and none of us are real.

And in case you missed the point....who gives a **** what "some" say?

 

Since we're only a couple months in on an experiment (and it's still experimental) I'll continue to pass, thank you. Those who want to volunteer for it go right ahead, don't bother me none.

 

we will never know the true number of folks who contracted covid-19 because many had mild or no symptoms, and I even know some who lost their taste and had a fever, and never got tested, but recovered several days later.

Covid-19 served a useful political purpose for statist governments (Democrat party in the USA)

Now that more and more of the public are becoming aware of just how low the death rate actually is (per TOTAL population) as well as questionable deaths listed as covid-related, covid weariness is taking over.

We've had a year for folks to build natural immunity as well as millions having been vaccinated. The talking points will not be open about the demographics of those who died from covid. You need to dig to find them as the media will not tell you

In the USA, the Democrat party and Democrat media are going to have a hard time trying to walk back the hysteria that they themselves stoked. It will be interesting to watch the messaging in the coming months

In other parts of the world, lock-down 4 dot oh is in full swing and eventually, the people will rise up against the useless lock-downs

 

Apparently you do! You believe what A. Fauci and the talking heads say.

 

That was a weak comeback even by your standards.

surely you can do better than that

 

This is not a contest Darth, it's simply public dialogue, some rational and some not. Here we get to read informed opinions and the opposite.

 

And I am still waiting for you to offer an informed, rational post.

Can you let us know when that might happen?

 

We both know that has already happened.

 

Not in regards to COVID it has not. You even happily admitted you did not confirm what you are being told

 

Everyone who gets the vaccine will eventually die after getting the vaccine . . . because everyone will eventually die. Between the low percentage and the whole fact that correlation (which isn't even close to being a strong correlation in this case) does not equal causation, this seems like a non-story.

 

We agree for a change. That is a true statement to some extent. The other consideration is that the VAERS system is voluntary, so the data is likely not too accurate.

Your observation begs the question: what is the advantage gained by taking the shot?

 

The same advantage that is to be gained by any vaccine. Going for my second one tomorrow.

 

Well, a man sees what he wants to see and hears what he wants to hear, but if that man is into definitions, what you've received is not a vaccine, it is a medical device on a nano scale. I wish you all the best, just as I do all people who've had it, including family members of mine.

The only advantage you will gain is to be able to be admitted to places like airlines so that you can travel. That is the rationale my sister and her husband used.

As they are already experiencing "breakthrough" cases of those injected carrying the virus (if one is to believe the absurd PCR test), recipients do not get immunity.

What you will gain is peace of mind based upon misinformation and propaganda. You are not the only one who cannot explain what is gained by the injection. The answers of others to the question I posed have been as vague as yours. All the best.

 

Not "immediately". Days or weeks after the vaccine has been received, especially for serious side-effects and death. There needs to be no evidence of any connection, and indeed, medical professionals are encouraged to report even if there isn't any evidence of connection. Note that medical professionals and manufacturers are legally required to make reports and literally anyone else can.

The VAERS data isn't intended to be use in it's raw form as you are though, it is intended to be analysed to determine how many reported incidents are actually related to any given vaccine and, if so, what actions need to be taken in response.

They're not mutually exclusive. It is true that a report on VAERS doesn't prove the vaccine was the cause and it is also true that it is good to highlight that fact to counteract ignorant or malicious attempts to misrepresent the risks with flawed statistics.

Why are you assuming only 2% of the vaccinated might have otherwise been infected? The actual infection rate is much higher than that, and that is with vaccination and current measures which obviously can't continue indefinitely. Without vaccination, I see no reason not to assume the vast majority of the population would be infected eventually.

At the individual level it'd be more complex than that given that the actual risks, of both COVID and the vaccine, will vary based on individual circumstances.

In general, you're misrepresenting the statistics by talking about "those who won't die of COVID" when the whole point of this kind of assessment is that we don't know who will or won't contract COVID and suffer serious or even fatal symptoms and who will or won't suffer side-effects, including fatal ones, from any given vaccine. I mean, would you accept the reverse conclusion; Of those who won't die from the vaccine, not taking it will increase their chances of dying due to COVID (a chance you continently chose not to calculate)?

That is a valid (but separate) question though there are questions about how long the immunity from infection lasts compared to that of a vaccine. It also raises the other related factor. You're only considering the relative risks of the individual dying but ignoring that if they do contract COVID, there is a risk they'll then pass it on to others. Regardless of whether the first person dies, the increased risk of someone dying would obviously be higher.

To an extent, though it has been somewhat exaggerated in media (and certainly social media) due to the misunderstood (or misrepresented) genetic element. Of course, the long term effects of COVID are largely unknown but appear to have the potential to be significant. You can't avoid the unknowns either way.

 

It's a vaccine, bud. All vaccines work on a "nano scale." And the objective evidence shows that the advantages go beyond air travel. I'm going to go with the evidence. You keep going with your admitted desire to ignore evidence and just "see what you want to see."

 

I'm not surprised to discover that you know next to nothing about how vaccines work. You and the possum.

 

Yes.

 

I'm quite familiar. As is my mother, who works in medicine. As is my wife, who has a PhD in biology and has done post-doc work in immunology. As are the thousands (conservatively) of medical experts who have supported the vaccine. It's a vaccine. Turns out education and facts are a better argument than "buh, buh, your avatar!"

 

Some say that we have accurately measured Earth's temperature before.
Some say that the Big Bang Theory is science.
Some say that The Science is science.
Some say that masks can stop viruses.

 

We have a thread started right here at this site back in March that details dozens of spontaneous miscarriages and stillbirths after taking the Pfizer vaccine:
3 Dozen Cases of Spontaneous Miscarriages, Stillbirths Occurring After COVID-19 Vaccination

Pfizer was undeterred, however, and was planning the following:
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Pregnant or lactating women were excluded from both the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccine trials, but Pfizer is currently conducting a phase 2/3 trial on 4,000 healthy, pregnant women who will be given the shots during the second and third trimester.
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Source:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_a...rring-after-covid-19-vaccination_3716385.html

 

I think you've asked some good questions. You may be interested in the following article:
Pfizer Vaccine Shows Reduced Effectiveness Against COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows