Body camera videos show 13-year-old Adam Toledo put hands up before fatal police shooting in Chicago

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  1. notme

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    So the community paid a person to be trained extensively and on the moment that it matters for a young child, who stopped with running as was commanded, put his empty hands up as commanded, just gets executed. And than later, the thug claims the kid never responded and was posing an imminent thread and so had to be killed.

    It's clearly visible that this absolutely did not take place.

    And so this is just you puking excuses for a cop, while dragging the community and the parents through crap. It's an ongoing systemic American problem of people who refuse to hold cops accountable for executing minorities and never mind the painful lies of the police who does everything to cover it up, dispite it's all on tape.
     
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    His mother put her son to bed. Is that how a mother raises a criminal? Kids will be kids. Unfortunately for this 13 year old playing with guns is far more serious than just skulking around at night.
     
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    Regardless of the circumstances, if a suspect has their hands up standing there. That's not the time to shoot. That's the time to pat down, to arrest the suspect. You know, what a law abiding officer of the law is supposed to do. I would charge murder in the 2nd or third degree in this case, and I wouldn't have a tough time prosecuting it.

    With manslaughter, it's typically reckless endangerment of life, but here he gave the kid orders, the kid followed them and he shot anyway. What is that, if not malicious forethought?
     
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  4. truth and justice

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    Besides all of the above, has it been confirmed that the gun was real?

    If it was, then where did he get that gun? Play dangerous games, face the consequences
     
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    It's clearly just you puking excuses for a community and parents that MUST be wrong, and puking "execution" as if the things people see or hear are always as clear as a picture or tape. The number of times someone has been convicted on eye witness testimony, simply because the brain plays tricks, is really huge, but hey let the MONKEY assume it was systemic execution, and stir up the already murderous violent community that kills their own like they were bugs.
     
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    The lawyer said something that indicated she believed he had a gun. Sometimes guns aren't real, but people see them, like alien pyramid spaceships. When I was a kid cap guns looked real as all get out, I had a revolver and a 45 cap gun; funny thing is the community went from 100% white to 99.9% people of color and still never got like Chicago or Washington DC...
     
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  7. Pred

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    Cops respond to shots fired. Teen had a gun. He ran from the cops. It was the middle of the night and dark. Why is a 13yr old by himself at night with a gun? Gun gets dropped a millisecond before cops shoot. Clean. That flash of a glimmer of metal and arms moving is the difference between the cops waiting to be shot or shooting first. Cops don’t have to RESPOND to someone shooting at them, because by then you’re already dead.

    Tragic but a clean shoot. AGAIN, no one gets shot if the kid wasn’t a thug in the first place, resisting arrest. Not like it matters if he was 13 or 36. Same capability to end a cops life in a snap. Same ****ing story.
     
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  8. notme

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    A brain doesn't play a trick between a guy standing still with his empty hands up as commanded, and a cop claiming the kid was running away, not responding and posing an imminent thread. That's a cop making an incredible dumb and shallow lie in an insane attempt to get away with plain murder of a minority. And it's the community of the police force who keeps going with this lying systemic injustice while puking on the behavior of minorities.
     
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    The cop demands that the kid stops running. The kid complies.
    The cop demands that the kid must raise his hands. The kid raises his hands and are empty.
    And so there was absolutely no resisting any arrest at that point.
    The cop still kills the kid immediately.
    The cop than lies that the kid refuses to comply and posed an imminent thread because it was armed.

    It is at it always has been. A dirty lying cop, being praised by people who follow the lies denying what was on tape.
     
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    The officer should lose his job. Prison time? F-off. After running to apprehend the suspect, the officer had to make a split-second decision as the suspect was turning around. The order was to "show me your hands". It wasn't an order that the suspect quickly turn around. There wasn't time to think, and the poor lighting made it difficult to see the suspect until the moment the gun was fired.

    I knew as soon as some of you posted the still image instead of the video that the anti-police members were trying to cover up exculpatory evidence. Here's the video.
     
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    So the cop didn't know he has a camera? So where is the pdf of the officers police report you obviously read? DO NOT LINK TO SOME REPORTER's SPEAK. Link to the actual police report as quick as you did this post, so I can confirm the lie, because if I see a lie I will say so.
     
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    I watched the unedited video (graphic, not recommended) and it does appear the officer acted in haste when he pulled the trigger. It's possible he perceived a gun in the boy's hand when there wasn't one.

    I will say that he immediately renders aid to the boy, calls for an ambulance and a med kit to treat him on the scene.

    It's unfortunate that we don't have greater respect for human life in our society. It's also interesting how much more police shootings are being scrutinized now that so many officers wear body cams. I hope that these incidents will help police departments to develop better training protocols and prevent future incidents. Until then, it appears there are some cops out there with twitchy trigger fingers, and we have a right as a society to push back against that and ask for change.
     
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    Just because shots were heard before the officer even got there, perhaps way before he got there, does not mean that the boy was shots were coming from him. The officer ordered him to stop running, the officer ordered him to drop the gun, the boy stopped running and dropped the gun. then put his hands in the air. He got shot. I don't doubt that the boy would have escaped if he did not stop.
     
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    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
     
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    Yes, police, when responding to bullets fired and in pursuit of an armed subject should wait to be shot before shooting back.

    I wholly agree. :applause:
     
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    Sadly, I too think the boy's fate was sealed after the shots were fired and the police chased him with a gun in his hand.
    I wish he would have know enough to not fire the gun or to not retain the gun when he fled.
    A true tragedy.
     
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    Check boxes?
    Check boxes, and a tiny line for other explanation.
     
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    When I played the video, I had to take a closer look to see if the suspects hands were empty. I played it at regular speed. Then I replayed it cause events happened so quickly. Life isn't a still image. If I were in that situation, I would have no idea if the kid was a threat to me when he quickly turned around with his hands raised. The suspect is in the process of turning around before he raises his hands.

    As the poster above stated, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
     
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    To become a police officer, they should make cops run a mile before shooting their guns. That would help. However, it's a dimly lit area between the alley way and fence, and the officer is chasing an armed suspect in the murder capital of the US.
     
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    I also had cap guns that looked real and, though I did not join in, my friends used to play the game of shouting run if they saw a policeman just for the fun to see if they get chased. Our police aren't armed though and friends were never caught
     
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    Yes, that's why I don't blame the officer. If his parents knew he had a real gun the book should be thrown at them. But it's natural for a child to run even if they have done nothing wrong and just carrying a toy gun
     
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    Unarmed police wouldn't last long in some of our cites. Kind of reminds me of this time a guy came up to me in Christchurch asking for help, he had a little bludgeon, and this huge Maori was following him; their newspaper has a story comparing their crime rate to ours, such a joke. Obviously though we do have a problem with twitchy fingers, and pointing guns directly at suspects for a split second of failure. Pretty much scared the crap out of me once when I went out in my backyard after hearing a noise and cop was standing there with a gun, he broke my fence because he couldn't jump over it like the suspect he was chasing did.
     
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    Again. Shots fired. The most dangerous place in Chicago. Running suspect with a gun. I can hit a target at that range in a second with my gun at my side. Takes just a little big of practice. The cops are in a no win situation. They’re dealing with murderers and thugs in this area. They can’t assume THIS guy will be nice. They hesitate and they’re the ones on their back.

    This was NO future rocket science they were dealing with.
     
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    If his parents did not know he had a gun, they should have the book thrown at them. :wink:
     
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    I'm going to take a wild guess and say most gang bangers either have parent(s) that are not involved or said gang bangers dont give a flying **** what there parents think or say.
     

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