Do You Prefer Capitalism or Socialism?

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  1. Libhater

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    You been on Amazon lately? Each of the thousands of products people put on there believe they have items that people will want and buy. If they're right they prosper; if they're wrong they don't. That's how the free market works under capitalism. It encourages people to improve their life by satisfying the needs of others.

    The consumer has the ultimate power where you vote with every dollar you earn.

    In a socialist economy THE GOVERNMENT has the ultimate power. It decides what you get from a limited supply it decides should exist.

    Under socialism a few government elites decide what you should have and how much you pay for it.

    Leftist activists celebrated Venezuela as a great socialist success right up until it wasn't. Socialists want you to believe that some western European nations are top socialist run countries because they have Free Healthcare, Free colleges and stronger unions then we have here in America.

    But there are no socialist countries in Western Europe. Those European nations are just as capitalistic run as we are here in America, with the only difference being that they (western European nations) offer more government benefits then does the U.S.

    Only a free market capitalist economy can produce the wealth necessary to sustain all the supposedly "FREE STUFF" Europeans enjoy.

    So what it is you want....Trump style capitalism that gave America its greatest economy before the virus, or an AOC-style socialism?
     
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    Trump style economy gave us just 2.3% GDP growth in 2019 - which was a DECREASE from the 2.9% GDP growth in 2018.

    In Comparison, Clinton had a 3.9% GDP growth average, Carter had a 3.3% average GDP growth, Johnson had a 5.3% average
    annual growth rate, JFK had a 4.4% average GDP growth rate, FDR had an average 9.9% average growth rate ... in fact, Democrat
    Presidents have had better average GDP growth rates over the last 90 years than Republicans.

    Oh, and guess what - Trump's average GDP growth rate on leaving office is the worst of any modern President - just 0.4% - and
    even if you measure it BEFORE covid, it was the fifth worst.

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    Wow...well we have police? fire, roads,public schools, social security, Medicare.....Says more about you and a lack of critical thinking.........Se how quickly black and white went gray?
     
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    We have been and still are a capitalist society with social programs added in. Nothing has changed.
     
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    "Do You Prefer Capitalism or Socialism?"

    I prefer Capitalism with some socialism, but greedy Corporatism is destroying Capitalism... which will result in more Socialism

    we use what works from all systems, and if greedy corporatism brings the need for more socialism, it will happen
     
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    A little bit of leaven leavens the whole lump. Once the government supports the majority financially there is no turning back! You have made government god!
     
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    That's what you are in fact doing.
     
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    excessive foreign outsourcing and excessive foreign imports changes the game

    if too many jobs go overseas and too many buy from overseas... it breaks the system
     
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    I'd rather have Clinton style Capitalism than Trump style Capitalism. Trump's GDP average sucked - even before Covid.
    Trump also signed off on the LARGEST bailout and increase of the National Debt of any modern President.
     
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    AOC's Democratic Socialism vs Donnie Trump's Plutocratic Socialism?
    What part of Trump's trickle-down socialism is confusing? Trump wants to redistribute as much wealth as possible from the middle class and the poor to the rich, and then let as little as possible trickle down. If one wants to live in a third-world country, Trump's plutocratic socialism is the way to go as part of his race-to-the-bottom for the average American.

    On the other hand..............
    The UN’s World Happiness Report Ranks “Socialist Friendly” Countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, Iceland & Sweden as Among the Happiest in the World
    https://www.openculture.com/2020/12...tries-as-among-the-happiest-in-the-world.html
     
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    Could you define Socialism? Bonus points if you don’t have to look it up.
     
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    Oh, so you think that I'm sugg
    You're the one saying the world is not black and white, not me. And if you would re-read the OP you would clearly see that there is a huge difference between a forced collectivist government socialist policy from that of an individual's capitalistic free market approach to their economic well being.
     
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    As usual, the answer is somewhere in the middle. Countries that are based on capitalism with a good social component (also called social market economies) tend to do best for the wealth and well-being of their citizens.

    BTW: Trump style wasn't capitalist and he didn't give us the greatest economy before the virus. But, Trump style surely was cronyism (he is the PROTOTYPE of the old boy's network). Again, you fall for the propaganda.
     
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    I don't need the bonus points for I've already outlined the meaning of socialism in the OP. But just to refresh your memory...here it is again:

    In a socialist economy THE GOVERNMENT has the ultimate power. It decides what you get from a limited supply it decides should exist.
    Under socialism a few government elites decide what you should have and how much you pay for it. If any of this is confusing, I suggest you browse through the self avowed socialist Bernie Sander's playbook to give you the real definition of what makes up socialism.
     
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    Not even close, but if that is what you truly think it is, I can see why you would be opposed.

    Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production by the proletariat. The goal is to get rid of the owner class. Nothing that you described in your OP was Socialism.

    Edit: While I support Sanders, I would not call him a socialist. He’s a democratic socialist. There’s a considerable difference.
     
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    Yes that is true, the world is not black and white, you seem to think it is.
     
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    I'm not talking about the world, I'm merely making or trying to get people to favor or not favor one economic ideology over another.
     
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    I want capitalism because it creates wealth. I abhor socialism because it is theft of wealth.
     
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    I think that really means you are embarrassed by the truth that answers it- that if you are not willing to contribute and produce, your do not deserve the reward. Capitalism means earning and paying your way; socialism means living off somebody else- as long as you can, with failure the inevitable end result.

    A capitalist system can afford to provide many benefits and opportunities, and do so indefinitely. A socialist system can only survive until it consumes all the resources it preys on... then, it becomes Venezuela, where the weight of a roll of toilet paper is less than the weight of the paper money it takes to buy it- and people have nothing.

    The OP's post is spot-on truth.
     
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    That’s funny. I would argue the opposite. Unless you’re arguing that Capitalism creates wealth for an extremely small minority and leaves the majority in/near poverty. If that’s what you meant then I would agree, but not sure why you would want that.
     
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    Are you of the opinion that capitalist economies do not consume natural resources?
     
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    Nope, not in the least.
     
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    The more I hear righties criticize socialism, the more I realize they have absolutely no understanding of it.
     
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    ALL economies consume natural resources. Socialism depresses and consumes the people as well; whereas capitalism provides the means for people to grow and build lives.
    People are the most important resource, IF they are productive. IF they are not and live off others or government (same thing) then they are- parasites, and are detrimental to the strength and well-being of a society.
     
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    We know you don't agree, but that is irrelevant tot he facts.
     

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