Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now how is that for racism?
     
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    What would be the point in further Debating with YOU people ?
    Any cogent Facts I might bring to the table are simply DELETED.


    I have provided Links to articles Published, Sponsored and/or Written for:

    The Council Of Foreign Relations
    The Columbia Journalism Review
    Unian Information Agency
    Live Science
    The BBC,
    CNN,
    NY Times,
    Express UK News
    Sputnick, RT,
    The PENTAGON


    All these Sources confirmed and admitted to the Fact that these Weapons are
    REAL and have now been DEPLOYED

    * Even The PENTAGON * has admitted to this FACT

    Any Source I use does not matter to YOU - If the Content is contrary to YOUR
    carved in stone, God Bless America, US Exceptionalist views then that
    Source is rejected out of hand by YOU. Never do YOU approach or attempt
    ,...................,,, to Deal with any of the Facts or Arguments brought forward.

    All the Links to Articles that I have used, have shown YOU that Russia has
    a case in the Ukraine, and that Russia has developed, built and DEPLOYED
    ........... a variety of Hypersonic Weapons. - Confirmed and admitted to, even
    ................................................................................................ by the US Government.

    And as said:
    A
    ll the Links to these Sources have been rejected out of hand and/or Ignored
    by YOU, - and have been DELETED by a Monitor here on Political Forums,
    ostensibly because I responded in an "inflammatory manner", to being called
    by YOU and another him/her - "A Complete Idiot" and "Certifiably Insane"


    Here's a few more LINKS that YOU and him/her can summarily reject and have
    DELETED lest they disturb YOUR sleep

    From the Guardian
    Russia Deploys First Hypersonic Missiles

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...oys-first-hypersonic-missiles-nuclear-capable

    From USNaval Institute NEWS -
    Hyten: The U.S. ‘ Is Not In A Very Good Position’
    Due to Chinese and Russian Missile Capabilities

    https://news.usni.org/2021/02/24/hy...e-to-chinese-and-russian-missile-capabilities

    From The Nations Interest - A Facist think tank and Journal founded by NeoCons Irving Kristol and Owne Harris
    Don't Sleep on Russia's Super-Fast "Avangard" Hypersonic Missile
    If YOU are aware of what the Russian have - "It will keep you up at night!"

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...super-fast-avangard-hypersonic-missile-125416

    Form The Article:
    "The March 1st address fell under a similar criticism: the Kremlin is bluffing, signaling capabilities
    that it doesn’t have to drive NATO to the negotiating table on terms favorable to Russia.
    But subsequent developments have borne out an altogether different truth: these weapons are,
    in fact, quite real, and pose varying levels of strategic threat.

    &
    "As it stands, U.S. military experts offer a grim assessment of America’s ability to intercept such
    a missile: “We don’t have any defense that could deny the employment of such a weapon against
    us,



    The ONLY rebuttal YOU have ever provided in light of these Revelations is to REJECT
    out of hand the Sources I bring forward and for the Monitors to DELETE them all.

    And then YOU have the temerity to DEMAND again:
    And it is made incumbent on ME to refrain from INSULTING such lack of Honest Intellect
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    Wow Pooh - you haver fallen way too far to the left when you start calling people racists for stating what happened in history.
     
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    .............................................. [​IMG]
    She just wants to plant her Poison Ivy [​IMG] - To border & highlight
    all the Poison HOG Weed that YOU've been spreading around :)
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    Russia beefs up warship presence in Black Sea

    April 17, 2021

    " MOSCOW (Reuters) - Two Russian warships transited the Bosphorus en route to the Black Sea on Saturday and 15 smaller vessels completed a transfer to the sea as Moscow beefs up its naval presence at a time of tense relations with the West and Ukraine....

    .... Two Russian Ropucha-class landing ships from Russia's Northern Fleet, capable of carrying tanks and of delivering armour and troops during coastal assaults, transited the Bosphorus on Saturday, a Reuters reporter in Istanbul saw.

    More Russian naval reinforcements in the form of two more landing ships, this time from Russia's Baltic Fleet, are expected to imminently transit the Bosphorus.

    The RIA news agency on Saturday also reported that 15 smaller vessels from Russia's Caspian Flotilla have completed their transfer to the Black Sea as part of an exercise. "

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...black-sea-ukraine-tensions-simmer-2021-04-17/

    https://news.yahoo.com/russia-beefs-warship-presence-black-112202709.html

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    ................................ blank .... slate
    Yet ANOTHER - Tabla Rasta Intellect who feels, that by simply rejecting
    ... a source he has made some sort of a valid and devastating response
    ...................................................................................... to any Points Raised
     
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    Many years ago Pravda had an interesting article how Putin sometimes speaks in symbols.

    This current "toilet" protest against Putin [see below] is interesting because it is symbolic of what Putin famously said during the Chechen war.

    Chechen War Propels Putin to Front Ranks

    Jan. 1, 2000

    " Putin was a colorless official when he became prime minister in August, but in less than six months he has forged an image as Russia’s strongman. In various media stunts, he strutted in a judo outfit, co-piloted a fighter plane over war-torn Chechnya and threatened to destroy that republic’s rebel leaders wherever they were.... “We will pursue the terrorists everywhere. You will forgive me, but if we catch them on the toilet, we will wipe them out in the outhouse,” he said in September in what for most Russians is his most memorable quote."

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jan-01-mn-49592-story.html


    The Russian Bare: Protesters Erect Naked Putin Sculpture To Protest Spike In Ukraine Fighting

    April 16, 2021

    " To protest the recent escalation in fighting in eastern Ukraine, activists placed a bare statue of Russian President Vladimir Putin on a golden toilet outside the Russian Embassy in Prague

    https://www.rferl.org/a/protest-putin-toilet-prague-russian-embassy/31207820.html


    Czech protesters show naked Putin effigy in Prague

    April 16, 2021

    " The demonstrators, from protest group Kaputin, were demanding the release from prison of Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny and denounced the build-up of Russian troops near Ukraine's eastern border.

    The protesters added a mock golden toilet brush to the effigy's hand and a roll of toilet paper in the other. Inscribed on the stand the words "naked killer".

    Mock golden toilet brushes were also found hanging next to the entrance sign of the Russian embassy."

    https://news.yahoo.com/czech-protesters-show-naked-putin-032207819.html

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    I can't read English, sorry. But you can write in Russian, it would help a lot. Thanks in advance.
    What do you smoke, guys? Who you "assist" in Afghanistan? Ah?.. You did not say that, then I say - you can't defeat Taliban. If you can't defeat some small number fighters' groups, armed with antiquated weapons, what makes you think that you can assist anyone to defeat Russia? Assist somebody to "win" in Afghanistan first, then come back and we discuss how you can assist in Ukraine...
     
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    Certain posters have agendas, and want to forward a narrative to the American people that conforms to that agenda. If the American people were to become aware of the danger to the world today as they did 40 years ago, then they'll put pressure on our government the way they did then so as to better relations with Russia.

    'Oh no, in our modern age to better relations with Putin's Christian and non liberal Russia? Horrors!'

    If that was to happen, then Nato might cease to exist and even more horrors, they'll lose all that money they're now making through the military industrial complex. The existence of the world compared to such a catastrophe is of no consequence, after all money is king.

    Best then to be optimistic and believe that world wars simply don't happen, especially now when nations have nuclear arms.




    God is passe', now it's: 'In Money We Trust.'
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would you want me to state the actual situations in the Ottoman Empire that I based my opinion on? I felt it was better not to, since then it might inflame the anti Semites who are looking for anything to foster their prejudices.
     
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    I think Xoe has had about enough with Putin and this troop growth. Any second....and second now he will be laying down the law to that brute Mr. Putin. Xoe will tell Mr. Putin to stop. Back up. He will draw a line in the sand like the mighty Obama did in the Middle East. Xoe will goe toe to toe with him and set him straight.
    You go Xoe!!!
     
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    Since no one else responded... I'll post my own 'Crazy Ivan' speculation.

    July 1952 there were multiple UFO sightings around Washington DC.

    Then it stopped as mysteriously as it began.

    In retrospect, maybe they were "angels" heralding Vladimir Putin's forthcoming birth.

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    What dirty work, please.


    Certainly those from the expulsion from Spain
    upped the quality of Ottoman weapons.


    Moi :oldman:


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    They seek a land corridor to
    New York City
     
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    Ok, you brought it up so here’s a thought. Ever watch Xoe when he comes out of his basement bunker and gives a speech or speaks from the podium? Watch his eyes....nothing.....blank. I wonder how many UFO’s Xoe sees in an average day? Quite a few I’d bet.
     
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    Anyone else think it odd... or at least interesting... that 2020 election propaganda put Trump in bed with Russia and Biden in bed with Ukraine... when both countries have the same Holy Rus roots!

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    Now for the impending third world war situation.

    1 - French are in danger and told to leave Pakistan.

    2 - Turks are furious, after Greek FM blasted his counterpart in front of reporters for their incursions into Greek waters, and for their illegal and aggressive actions.

    3 - Turkey threatens French research ship in Greek waters south of Greek, declaring it Turkish waters because of an illegal agreement with Libya.

    4 - Russia sending Baltic and Northern fleet to join Black and Caspian fleet in Black Sea.

    5 - Moscow has a naval block on the Azov Sea. Mariapol is blocked off and Ukrainian ships cannot go in and out of Azov Sea.

    6 - Americans told to be on 'stand by' in Ukraine, and not to travel to Crimea or Eastern Ukraine.

    7 - Washington sent 150 soldiers to Ukraine, and will send more if necessary.

    8 - Residents in Mariupol saw Nato officers and weapons cache.

    9 - 150 Turkish special forces transferred to southeastern Ukraine to coordinate actions of the Syrian mercenaries (terrorists) from Idlib.

    10 - Erdoğan launched attack on Israel saying they are an enemy of Islam and thereby setting them up for attacks throughout the Muslim world.

     
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    Here's something else interesting [an insightful Atossa original posted on Pravda many years ago]

    Most everyone is familiar with Nostradamus' prophecies. But the most famous one X-76 has an actual date, "seventh month 1999", when a great king would arrive on the world scene who would restore another great king and before and after Mars [god of war] would reign.

    As that July 1999 date approached, many were speculating if Nostredamus' prophecy would be fulfilled... and many were disappointed that seemingly nothing happened.

    Meanwhile, back in 1993 God had told me a new Tsar would arise in Russia and I was watching for him to arise!

    August 9, 1999 Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin as prime minister. Most people [but NOT me!] missed the importance of that event... until a few months later... Y2K eve, when Yeltsin surprised the world when he resigned putting Vladimir Putin in total control of Russia!

    Vladimir Putin is the great king that Nostradamus said would arise July 1999!

    But wait a minute... August 9, 1999 is not July 1999... or is it ?!

    According to the Julian calendar... the calendar used in Nostradamus' time and also used in Putin's Russia today... which is 13 days behind the Gregorian calendar... August 9, 1999 Gregorian is July 1999 !

    Another interesting Nostradamus prophecy X-86 talks about a future "King of Europe" who will come "like a griffin" [griffin is the symbol of Russia's St Petersburg where Putin was born.] The king will be accompanied by those of the North. Of reds and whites he shall conduct a great troop... and go against the "King of Babylon!"

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    On top of sh!t-stirring in Ukraine, Old Joe has now pissed off the Chinese by pledging to defend Japan with nuclear weapons.

    https://www.rt.com/news/521347-us-japan-statement-nuclear/

    Did the US "really" say that? Well, yes it did.

    The United States restated its unwavering support for Japan’s defense under the U.S.-Japan Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security, using its full range of capabilities, including nuclear.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...t-u-s-japan-global-partnership-for-a-new-era/

    The U.S.-Japan Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security doesn't mention nuclear weapons. And why would it? Under the MAD theory, nuclear war is unacceptable.

    https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/n-america/us/q&a/ref/1.html

    Unacceptable no more, it seems. A little ironic, too that the US pledges to defend a country it used nuclear weapons on with...... nuclear weapons.
     
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    When I saw the photo op of Biden standing with the Japanese Prime Minister next to US and Japan flags... my attention was on Japan's flag

    Japan's imperial flag was the rising sun = red sun with many emanating red rays.

    Now Japan's flag is a lone red sun standing still... sad.


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    What is the worst possible thing for Ukraine to say right now? It has to be anything with the word nuclear in it right?

    https://www.republicworld.com/world...ar-weapons-amid-donbas-conflict-diplomat.html

    This is like confirming your invasion booking....Hello, yes I'm just checking if you are still invading on Tuesday.....No.... ok "nuclear"....great see you then.

    Then there's the US commander who thinks an invasion threat is low to medium!!!.... seriously have we ever seen a mobilisation on this scale that was just a bluff...incredible...where do they find these people.

    https://www.fifthdomain.com/congres...ef-warns-nato-ready-to-respond-to-aggression/
     
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    And now the latest:

    Russia asked the American Ambassador to leave, and he said: "I don't wanna and you can't make me."


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    The quote below from a Greek source is a little worrisome.

    According to some leaks, Moscow has issued an "ultimatum" to the US that NATO should immediately cease its activities in Ukraine.

    This was said to US ambassador to Russia John Sullivan, who was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry on 15 April.

    "The US has six days to stop all NATO activity within Ukraine. Otherwise Russia will attack Ukraine and stop this activity on its own," the Russians reportedly told the US ambassador.

    Sullivan was reportedly so agitated that he left the Russian ministry from the side entrance and not from the main entrance, without making any statements to the media.
    Six days after the ultimatum given to the US is April 21, and that is the day when Putin will make a very important speech to the Duma. He will expect the Duma to discuss and vote on it immediately. That is also the day the build up of Russian troops around Ukraine will be completed.
     
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    Thank you for confirming my point regarding neither side being able to defeat each other in a prolonged war that involved either side seizing and then holding large tranches of territory occupied by large numbers of hostile civilians without actually being able to force their opponents to concede. That's exactly the issue that would arise in any East/West conflict involving one side or the other invading, occupying and then trying to hold large tranches of hostile territory for an extended period of time. And its why I said neither the US or Russia would win such a war.

    And there is no comparison between Afghanistan and Ukraine. Ukraine is a functioning national polity with all the structures of a modern nation State - including armed forces organized along conventional lines. Afghanistan was not a modern functioning State. Not at the time of the US invasion and occupation and not now after the US has spent two decades trying (with little success) to make it one.

    Ukraine therefore has the capacity to co-ordinate with the US and utilize any advanced weapon systems provided to it that Afghanistan never could. And they would actively welcome US support. Having received it they would be in a position to defend their own country - Russia could invade but ultimately would have to withdraw.
     
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    I'm not sure Russia would care too much about is Afghanistan a "modern functioning state" or it's not - if Russia decided to assist Taliban and provide it with more-or-less advanced weapon systems. The same may be said about Syria, Yemen, Libya etc.
     

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