Should Blacks be paid "reparations" today because of slavery in the United States?

So now you refuse to address the issue of slavery unless it's ONLY about black people. There is no case for reparations of any kind that isn't driven by self-loathing white guilt, something you need not suffer.

This gets funnier every day.

 

I refuse to address that issue because it's not the topic. You're just distracting away since you no longer are able to make an argument against reparations to black people. You're clearly not on topic anymore.

 

reparations IS about slavery. There is no legitimate argument FOR reparations, it’s a hilariously conceived joke by people who desperately need to feel guilty.

so since slavery and the reparations go hand in hand why are you not including Asians? Is it because you’re just pandering to one group, black people? Cuz that’s exactly what it looks like. Cute.

 

The topic is.... "should-blacks-be-paid-reparations-today..... "

You're just distracting away since you no longer are able to make an argument against reparations to black people. You're clearly not on topic anymore.
See that I care you are just going forth with distracting away from the topic.

 

NO, I get it! It only matter to give people who may have possibly been related at one time to a slave money, and to take that from people who clearly had nothing to do with any of this and may not have even had relatives here during slavery, but no money for asians who were also slaves.

You have never made any rational claim for giving any black people a thing, but you made a lot of us laugh.

So, just black people get free money, not any other slaves. I get what you're saying by hiding from this.

 

I have endlessly discussed with you how white people benefitted from apartheid rule / Jim Crow era from lawfully oppressing black people from any kind of social economic progress. It's a fact this happened. I have noted that -as an example- people like Trump and Biden both are from that era, and their fortunes were build because of that injustice and their inheritances were that big because of those injustices. It's not so much a "rational claim". It's a historic fact that it is.

You're poised to divert the attention away from the undisputable historic fact I put forth, and go off topic.

 

You made a lot of insane claims about something that never existed here, apartheid. All you've managed to do is make endless aplogies for why black people can't get it together while ignoring the fact that asians we also slaves.

You're just pandering to one group, and that's why this is so disingenuous.

 

You know, I think you have made your argument clear and logical. The problem is racists, who can not see that logic because they seem to have no empathy for others unlike themselves, so why should they care. It is a psychological deficit it seems and makes our world an uglier place.

 

Not gonna read back thru all the posts here but I have a question. What do we do about black kids adopted from other country’s by whites?
What do we do with mixed races? Plenty of half and half’s. Do the white side give the black side the money?
What makes me black? I know lots of blacks who are lighter than me, most likely mixed with lots of white. Do they get full payoff? Or do we prorate them depending on where and how much white is in their background?

 

The thing is far more about the general questions of:
Have white people benefitted social economical about the Jim Crow era?
Did all white people take advantage or did only some people succeed in taking advantage?
And than how much of an advantage did the government caused those people to take advantage...
to than what should be done about that amount....

And all the way at the end it gets to be about where should it go.


I fail to see any kind of need to start a discussion about what happens all the way at the end of distributing wealth to any kind of hypothetical situation, when it's still unknown if just the lucky 1% high end income should pay up trillions in taxes or that everybody chips is 5 bucks. I wouldn't know why people should even get a handout of ... heck.. 50.000 bucks a person and the end. Seems perfectly alright to me if people who suffered 1st hand would get a monthly pension of some amount to cover the idea that the government held them back on the social economic ladder. And you can invest in social programs to specifically target the poor black people, and not specifically give it to anybody. They poor black usually live clustered in ghetto's, and if some poor other ethnic people just happen to be there as well: so what. And specifically poor black indeed, as in... why would Obama need some more? I wouldn't know. And just because HE made it, doesn't mean it was an equal playing field for all people of color. The exception is not the rule.

 

True. There is an entire American theme of admitting racism by one side and fanatically denying racism happens / to even denying racism happened after the end of slavery on the other side. Those people who deny are obviously part of the rather vocal problem in the US.

 

I suggest you start a new thread that encompasses these kinds of 'shades-of-gray' questions. I avoided that in creating this thread because I wanted to stay focused on whether or not people thought "reparations" were even sensible because of slavery prior to 1865.

The margin against "reparations", as you see, was overwhelming to say the least... just over 87%....

 

it appears to have included democrats too

 

I sent my DNA in to one of those ancestry sites. Turns out I am your average white guy: English/Irish with some French and German. But ...

I also have 2% that traces to the Congo, no lie. My best guess is that one of my Louisiana forebears married or hooked up with a caribbean slave 250 years ago.

Anyway, I want a 2% share of whatever figure you guys come up with as you wrestle with your guilt. And I appreciate it. I'll donate 2% of my 2% to the forum.

 

What more government investments in black communities like we do in white communities? I drive through predominately white areas and I don't see a "community center" on every corner, I don't see child services on every corner, I don't see Headstart, another government waste of money, in each one I don't even see as many parks and playgrounds.

 

Only to those blacks who where slaves.
To be paid only by those who owned slaves.

 

Something has happened to kill too much of the sense of initiative of some Americans. Maybe it's the white man's fault. Maybe it's my fault. Hey, I'm white.

But suppose we were to drop a half million poor Koreans, Vietnamese, or Japanese into Newark, Philly, L.A., or Chicago.

Suppose further that they were left in peace by the government and the populace. Would those communities be better, worse, or about the same in 20 years?

 

How about me? I look like the southern redneck I am, but according to Ancestry.com, 1% of my DNA traces to the Congo.

A dollar for thee, a penny for me.

 

And how many more Black votes could any 'ward-heeling' Democrat politician plan on getting from a plan like that?! Zero!

 

You are a lot more black than Elizabeth Warren is Indian.

Anybody who disagrees with your posts is a racist!!!

 

This is primarily WHY it's not sensible. It's freaking EUGENICS.

 

Smacking them over the head with their own truncheons

 

1) What happened was the Welfare State. White Supremacists finding a new way to keep Black Americans down.

2) Far FAR better. Asians are civil and law abiding, and work their a$$es off. Having said that, they'd also make Portland Oregon much better .. and it's predominantly white.

 

This is where the whole stupid idea falls apart (and becomes grotesque). You can't know who is black unless you go full Hitler and start counting drops.

 

Oh how original just declare that that guy is correct and if you disagree with him this automatically makes you a racist, how lazy.