Covid conundrum

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  1. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    "Haiti seemed to have escaped the worst of COVID-19. Now a virus surge is sparking alarm."

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article251407183.html

    "After months of low reported COVID-19 cases in Haiti, doctors in the Caribbean nation are reporting a worrying rise in infections and hospital bed occupancy after health authorities confirmed the presence of at least two highly contagious variants.

    “There is indeed a certain panic because the cases are increasing,” said Dr. Lauré Adrien, the director general of Haiti’s Health Ministry, urging citizens to double down on precautionary measures like mask wearing, which has significantly dropped."
     
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    Now 434 more cases and 12 more deaths are given in this link differing from the OP's, both in the same time frame. So this is not a "surge". This is a year into this pandemic. Strange that this would be touted as the reason for authorization, as the death rate is far below that of what happens in bad flu seasons in the US. Once again, bad science seems to benefit Big Pharma's bottom line.
     
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    Cases do not equal deaths. You can contract a flu and get over it. With less than 300 dead and less than 14000 cases, it's hardly a surge for a population of 12 million. And this is a year into this pandemic! Once again, Big Pharma cashes in.
     
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    if the hospitals are overloaded, people die.... that is their concern

    India was doing fine... until they weren't too
     
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    When it comes to Covid TESTING Haiti ranks 204th out of 210 nations which means that LESS than 6000 people out of every 1,000,000 has been tested.

    Compare that to the Dominican Republic that SHARES the same island with a SIMILAR population size and they have TESTED 139,000 out of every million and rank ay 133rd worldwide.

    Haiti LACKS healthcare resources across the entire spectrum.

    There is NO conundrum here...just an ABSENCE of DATA because of a ABSENCE of resources.

    The VIRUS doesn't care that there is no testing, it is spreading and it is only a matter of time before we discover the facts.
     
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    The DR has a similar population and 12 times as many deaths.

    LACK of DATA does NOT mean that the virus is not there and/or not killing people.
     
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    There are data showing a correlation of some sort between introduction of the shots in various countries on the planet and a significant uptick in cases and deaths.

    Many see the shots as bioweapons. They are probably correct. The agenda to depopulate is in full swing.
     
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    There are data showing a correlation of some sort between introduction of the shots in various countries on the planet and a significant uptick in cases and deaths.

    Many see the shots as bioweapons. They are probably correct. The agenda to depopulate is in full swing.
     
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    1. Yes it does, and better resources...the DR has been vaccinating since last month, Haiti hasn't.

    2. Wishful thinking does not change current facts, which has been the basis for all reports, projections, distributions, etc.
     
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    And if the standard line held for Haiti, you would have a hell of a lot more deaths in general that would stack up waiting to determine Covid culpability.

    You don't.

    You can have the virus not get sick or get sick and get over it or get critically ill. That's what's going on in the world per the officials....yet Haiti is the exception.

    And remember, the testing is LESS THAN 60/40 ACCURATE.
     
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    India was never "doing fine".....with a generational poor population that is consistently on the short end of the stick regarding health care. Since this virus affects busines and the upper classes, suddenly systemic problems become publically scrutinized as new.
     
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    could be, I know they still have a crazy caste system
     
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    Then I recommend that you take your own advice.
     
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    There is virtually NO data regarding EXCESS deaths in Haiti.

    WITHOUT that data you are just SPECULATING.
     
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    A lame retort that indicates your stubborn adherence to the status quo and to ignore anything that counters that. Here's a homework assignment for you: go to "corona virus updates", on the right side of your screen you should see the option of "global cases" and check out how the countries that haven't gotten the vaccine or are considered "third world"are doing as opposed to the advanced industrial nations. Interesting.
     
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    You're not making sense, as the article does give stats as to what's been happening since January as to cases and deaths. Essentially, you're alluding to "just you wait....more covid deaths will start piling up with more data and testing".
    That changes NOTHING as to what I pointed out...you have a impoverished population that has had a systematic break down in intrastructure due to natural disasters couple by economic & political turmoil. Deaths due to dysentery and the like were quickly and well documented....since covid is suppose to have a high mortality rate, even the current information since Janurary should be higher for Haiti. Maybe it isn't because of the following:

    Haiti - FLASH : Evaluation of traditional Haitian remedies against Covid-19 - HaitiLibre.com : Haiti news 7/7
     
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    the article said they were wearing masks and when people stopped the cases started to rise
     
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    DENIALISM on your part does NOT alter factual reality one iota!
     
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3919235/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/...in-haiti-could-far-exceed-official-count.html

    Thank you for establishing that YOUR subject matter knowledge is on a par with the "official" Haitian government statistics.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    Actually, the article stated the following out right:
    Dr. Jean “Bill” Pape, a top Haitian infectious disease expert, said the nation’s low death rate can’t be attributed to strict adherence to mask-wearing or social distancing guidelines.

    “Most people don’t wear a mask,” he said.
     
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    it said

    “There is indeed a certain panic because the cases are increasing,” said Dr. Lauré Adrien, the director general of Haiti’s Health Ministry, urging citizens to double down on precautionary measures like mask wearing, which has significantly dropped."

    mask wearing stopped, cases started to rise
     
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    So I pointed out how dysentery was well tracked and documented in Haiti (note I never said it was by the Haitian govt alone). All you did was validate that.

    Your other sources also prove my point. Haiti has literally caught hell with regards to disease in addition to natural disasters. These have been well watched, otherwise YOU wouldn't have the information. So now there's an article showing that despite the Official stance of COVID being universally deadly hasn't rung true in Haiti despite being in the mix for a year, and the locals NOTE adhering to protocols. Period.

    And yes, I do find your inability to understand what I post and how you affirm it comical, if not sad. Carry on.
     

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