"Woke" Progressives now taking over the workplaces in Hospitals

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As Herzog describes it, none of these people would be mistaken for political conservatives. They are generally progressive and believe that racism has created problems within their field, both in the past and in the present. And yet, they are concerned by the ideology they see taking over the field.

    I've heard from doctors who’ve been reported to their departments for criticizing residents for being late. (It was seen by their trainees as an act of racism.) I’ve heard from doctors who’ve stopped giving trainees honest feedback for fear of retaliation. I’ve spoken to those who have seen clinicians and residents refuse to treat patients based on their race or their perceived conservative politics.

    Some of these doctors say that there is a “purge” underway in the world of American medicine: question the current orthodoxy and you will be pushed out. They are so worried about the dangers of speaking out about their concerns that they will not let me identify them except by the region of the country where they work.

    “People are afraid to speak honestly,” said a doctor who immigrated to the U.S. from the Soviet Union. “It’s like back to the USSR, where you could only speak to the ones you trust.” If the authorities found out, you could lose your job, your status, you could go to jail or worse. The fear here is not dissimilar.​

    https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/06...ike-an-existential-threat-to-medicine-n394418


    Last year, the University of Pittsburgh cardiologist Norman Wang was demoted by his department after he published a paper in the Journal of the American Heart Association (JAHA) analyzing and criticizing diversity initiatives in cardiology. Looking at 50 years of data, Wang argued that affirmative action and other diversity initiatives have failed to both meaningfully increase the percentage of black and Hispanic clinicians in his field or to improve patient outcomes. Rather than admitting, hiring and promoting clinicians based on their race, he argued for race-neutral policies in medicine.

    “Long-term academic solutions and excellence should not be sacrificed for short-term demographic optics,” Wang wrote. “Ultimately, all who aspire to a profession in medicine and cardiology must be assessed as individuals on the basis of their personal merits, not their racial and ethnic identities.”

    At first, there was little response. But four months after it was published, screenshots of the paper began circulating on Twitter and others in the field began accusing Wang of racism. Sharonne Hayes, a cardiologist at the Mayo Clinic, implored colleagues to “rise up.” “The fact that this is published in ‘our’ journal should both enrage & activate all of us,” she wrote, adding the hashtag #RetractRacists.

    Soon after, Barry London, the editor in chief of JAHA, issued an apology and the journal retracted the work over Wang’s objection. London cited no specific errors in Wang’s paper in his statement, just that publishing it was antithetical to his and the journal’s values. Retraction, in a case like this, is exceedingly rare: When papers are retracted, it’s generally because of the data or the study has been discredited. A search of the journal’s website and the Retraction Database found records of just two retractions in JAHA: Wang’s paper and a 2019 paper that erroneously linked heart attacks to vaping.
    After the outcry, the American Heart Association (AHA), which publishes the journal, issued a statement denouncing Wang’s paper and promising an investigation. In a tweet, the organization said it “does NOT represent AHA values. JAHA is editorially independent but that’s no excuse. We’ll investigate. We’ll do better. We’re invested in helping to build a diverse health care and research community.”

    As the criticism mounted, Wang was removed from his position as the director of a fellowship program in clinical cardiac electrophysiology at University of Pittsburgh Medical Center and was prohibited from making any contact with students. His boss reportedly told him that his classroom was “inherently unsafe” due to the views he expressed.​

    What Happens When Doctors Can't Tell the Truth? - Common Sense with Bari Weiss (substack.com)
    Katie Herzog

    one of the comments that were left below the article:

    It is important, however, to laser-focus on the elephant in the room, namely that the people who could possibly try to right these terrible injustices HAVE TOO MUCH TO LOSE, and the racist wokesters know this very well! It is an extremely rare person who will risk a lifetime of incredible effort to finish medical training to enter practice, and see it all evaporate to feed the the petty whims of the narcissistic/borderline cowards who are driving this narrative.
    This is extremely serious: the turning away from excellence in admissions to health programs, the almost panicky drive to admit often underqualified members of protected groups to residency programs to avoid charges of "racism", the primacy of identity over clinical excellence, etc all these are creating a new "Dark Age" in medicine, where the grossest incompetence and quackery are celebrated.​
     
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    Increasingly blacks are becoming fire proof, despite performance and behavior.

    Two generations since the civil rights legislation was passed into law and the War on Poverty was declared whites have the right to expect better performance and behavior from blacks, not worse performance and behavior.
     
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    Critical race theory, or CRT, is based on traditional Marxist sociology, arguing that social problems are created by societal structures than by individual factors. The very existence of diversity programs completely discredits the tenets of CRT which blame the system for being racist, while exonerating racist individuals like Norman Wang. Nowadays, individual factors hold more sway than social factors.
     
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    The Woke crossed over from the college campuses into the workplaces, hospitals, and governments a while back now. Good to see that people are (ironically) waking up to this reality.

    Crybullying is a powerful tactic.
     
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    It is.

    SAVING GRACE: My Woke Employees Tried to Cancel Me. Here’s How I Fought Back and Saved My Nonprofit.
     
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    Woke, the term when used by right wingers (op) is code for N word.

    Heads up.
     
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    Absurd. The term "woke" is more often used to refer to white people than to black people. Also, "woke" pertains to an ideology, not a race of people.
     
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    The following chart demonstrates that a very small percentage of Negroes have the intelligence for professional work.

    bellcurves.jpg
     
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    When used by right wingers it is code for N word.
     
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    I am more intelligent than you so put the fake graphs away.
     
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    most hospitals are not like this, it's just like some have religious nuts that won't remove a fetus to save a mothers life

    yes, it's wrong where these things happen, giving light to it hopefully stops it

    no one is doing black people any favors by being afraid to criticize them the same as one would a white person, if that is the environment, it's dangerous to the future patients of that doctor

    treat everyone equal
     
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    that is pure white supremacist propaganda, you know that right?
     
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    "Nowadays, individual factors hold more sway than social factors."

    disagree with that somewhat, but I will say those social factors affect all races, not just one

    excessive foreign outsourcing and excessive foreign imports affect us all

    most diversity training nowadays is targeted at accepting other countries stealing our jobs
     
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    Blacks have been getting criticized for the last 400 years. Whites are the ones who can't handle criticism, hence we get white fragility.
     
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    agree, some white are that way, but that has nothing to do with blacks not being allowed to be criticized when they do something wrong, same as whites

    saying all whites are that way, is like saying all blacks are criminals - both wrong - use the word 'some' in front of it

    equal rights is what we should all be striving for
     
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    I will phrase things as I choose. Blacks have been criticized for 400 yeara, nobody is scared to do that. And saying whites are the ones who can't handle criticism is not like saying all blacks are criminals. This is why whites have published books and studies on white fragility, white privilege and white preference. And as we see today, it is whites, specifically on the right, complaining about CRT which is only taight in Law school, and The 1619 Project because they think teaching slavery from that perspective is going to makecwhite kidds hate themsemselves, never mind the generations of blacks who were made to feel low and worthless by the current manner of how things are taught. Whites benefitted from American racism, not some whites, whites. Laws made did not saay some whites, the old signs did not say some whites only. So it is just time for whites to face this reckoning. Some whites already have, the ones with the problems are the ones always trying to tell people how they should say things.

    We all know not all whites were the problem or are the problem. There shall be no tone policing.

    "no one is doing black people any favors by being afraid to criticize them the same as one would a white person," if that is the environment, it's dangerous to the future patients of that doctor

    I don't see the word some or those in this comment, so do not again tell me how I should say things.
     
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    saying all whites did that is racist, but yes, some can say it

    saying all blacks have low IQ's is racist, but yes, some can say it

    doesn't make things right

    "if that is the environment" <--- that means not all, but some, 'if true' and only if that is actually happening in that environment, not all

    "We all know not all whites were the problem or are the problem."

    thank you
     
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    There are a lot of left-wing Whites who make a fortune with anti-White policy, so whats the point there? You will find White people making a fortune abusing their own people, you have Jewish anti-Smeites, you had Black people who made a fortune out of the misery of their own people. So what?
     
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    The chart is compiled by the National Longitudinal Survey of Labor Market Experiences of Youth, 1980-1990.

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    The National Longitudinal Surveys (NLS) are a set of surveys sponsored by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor.[1] These surveys have gathered information at multiple points in time on the labor market experiences and other significant life events of several groups of men and women.[2] Each of the NLS samples consists of several thousand individuals, many of whom have been surveyed over several decades.[3][4]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Longitudinal_Surveys

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    Here is more data concerning average racial differences in intelligence:

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    SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity: 2003

    In recent years the noted pattern of test scores has reflected similar numbers--
    Editor, 2005

    SAT Ethnic Group Scores (Math/Verbal+total)

    • American Indian---482/480 (962)
    • Asian American-----575/508 (1083)
    • African American-----426/431 (857)
    • Puerto Rican----457/448 (905)

    Other Hispanic----464/457 (921)

    • White-----534/529 (1063)
    • Other ----513/501 (1014)

    Source: www.collegeboard.com

    Average ACT Composite Score by Race/Ethnicity, 2003
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    • African American ----16.9
    • American Indian---18.7
    • Caucasian---- 21.7
    • Mexican American----18.3
    • Asian American---- 21.8
    • Hispanic----19.0
    • Other ----19.3
    • Multiracial-----20.9
    • Prefer Not to Respond -----21.8
    • No Response-----20.1

    Source: www.act.org

    Quote from attached SAT/ACT article:

    "Readiness for college science and math coursework was particularly low among
    African American students. Only 5 percent of African American test-takers scored
    at or above the college-readiness benchmark for college biology, and just 10
    percent attained the readiness benchmark for college algebra. Ferguson said
    Black students were less likely than others to take tough, college-prep courses
    and "often don't receive the information and guidance they need to properly plan
    for college."

    For overview and more info, go to:
    http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0DXK/15_20/109265562/p1/article.jhtml

    http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm

    The data explains the persistence of black poverty, and why affirmative action is a dangerous policy. Affirmative action advances people to cognitively demanding positions who are unable to perform those positions adequately. I have worked with beneficiaries of affirmative action. Their inadequacies were obvious to those of us who deserved to be there.
     
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    How are the graphs fake?
     
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    Woke is a new word defined on the hoof by anybody to suit their agenda.
    In that spirit woke simply means anti racist.
    A war on woke is something indulged in by those who want racism to thrive unfettered.
     
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    doesn't mean it is not racist propaganda from 30 years ago
     
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    Chicken or the egg problem. You seem to be pretty sure in this case you solved it thus justifying a status quo. One could make the argument to read it as poverty and bad environment lead to bad results in education and not using your potential.
     
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    It means rather a cultural-marxist agenda. You recognize the people that label themselves as woke and see they are most often scum.
     
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    Poverty and Crime

    During the 1960s, for instance, the residents of San Francisco's Chinatown were among America's poorest people—with the most unemployment, the worst housing conditions, the least education, and the highest rate of tuberculosis in their city. Yet despite such hardships, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the entire state of California in 1965.[1]

    Similarly, Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation. Historian Max Dimont describes them:

    "The majority of these immigrants had arrived penniless, all their worldly belongings wrapped in a bundle.... Most of [them] arrived in New York. Some made their way into other cities,... but the majority remained in New York, settling in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, [which was] a neighborhood of the poor. Sociologists, with their impressive charts showing the number of toilets (or lack of the), the number of people per room, the low per capita income, paint a dismal picture of the Lower East Side Jewish slum. But their charts do not capture its uniqueness. Though it bred tuberculosis and rheumatism, it did not breed crime and venereal disease. It did not spawn illiteracy, illegitimate children, or deserted wives. Library cards were in constant use."[2]

    The late political scientist James Q. Wilson debunked the theory that crime results from poverty, or that redistributive government programs can reduce crime rates by alleviating poverty, by pointing out that “crime rose the fastest in this country at a time when the number of persons living in poverty or squalor was declining.” He added: “I have yet to see a ‘root cause’ or to encounter a government program that has successfully attacked it.”

    NOTES:
    [1] James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein, Crime and Human Nature (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1985), p. 473.
    [2] Max I. Dimont, Jews, God, and History (New York: Penguin USA, 1994), pp. 373-374. (This book was originally published in 1962.)

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1636

    Those who blame the high black crime rate on white racism cannot explain why black crime rose after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed, and the War on Poverty was declared that same year.
     
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