Biden On Voting Rights, A Shill For The Democrats Left Wing!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

    JimfromPennsylvania Active Member Past Donor

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    Joe Biden just gave an extraordinary impassioned speech about the wrongful Republican efforts to as a practical matter take away people's right to vote. But this is the key fact where President Biden is way off the mark which is that the Democrat pieces of Federal legislation to address this problem are an overreach and would be a disaster for America if they were enacted into law. Any legislation that mandates or enshrines mail-in-ballots outside of a voter being absentee or for age or health reasons to address the problem that these voters often have great difficulty traveling to the polls is a direct violation of democracy because the truth of the matter is that generally ballot harvesting is inseparable from mail-in-ballots and ballot harvesting often deprives the person whose ballot is being harvested the right of franchise which greatly undermines America's democracy.

    Biden is way off the mark on the John Lewis voting rights act this mandate to put a preapproval process for voting changes on select states is unfair and unjust especially when one considers this onerous preapproval process. President Biden displays disgraceful behavior when he tries to imply that the Supreme court is issuing racist decisions. It's recent decision that found that a policy that has disparate impact against African Americans isn't tantamount to racism and a violation of the fifteenth amendment; the critics that say poll taxes and literacy tests for voting that existed in America prior to the 1970 were race neutral on its face however were found to be in violation of the fifteenth Amendment are being disingenuous because a reasonable person knew that these conditions were a charade a gimmick for the purpose of blocking African Americans from voting at the time!

    America needs a narrowly focused piece of legislation from Washington to stop the assault on democracy that is unfolding. Mandate a two week period of early voting, ban state legislatures from being able to overturn popular vote results in their respective state and other clearly compelling bipartisan supported policies; President Biden if you cannot lead a narrowly focused action on this issue you best serve the American people by keeping your mouth shut and your butt in the White House; Joe, it's called "Do No Harm"!
     
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    Please lay out how ballot harvesting does this.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is from my local paper during that time

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    Poll taxes were a BIG source of revenue for the county school system including black schools.
     
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    So you would be ok with me (working for the Trump campaign) going to the local retirement facility and "HELP" the elderly vote? Do you see the problem here?
     
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    I have no problem with you going and picking up the sealed ballots from the local retirement facility and dropping them off at the elections HQ
     
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    Sounds good to me, i might happen to loose a few on the way though.
     
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    Bunk.
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    NOT TRUE.
    That is nothing but partisan crap. Mail-in voting is only as good or as bad as the legislation governing how it's done, and all the safeguards involved. FIVE STATES now rely on vote-by-mail policies and it is working in all of them. Here in Oregon a voter can ONLY vote by mail. There are no polls. And every election has a turnout of around 80%, and every election is scrutinized by both the election commission AND the Oregon Republican Party. And believe me, the ORP would love to find evidence that the system is corrupt, invites fraud, throws elections, and should be scrapped. And in every election the ORP cannot find any ANY evidence of widespread fraud or any fraud that could change the election outcome.

    So the right should give up it's claims of mail-in voting problems because it's purely an issue of how it is done and whether there are good, reasonable safeguards. If the republicans and the political right in general "cannot find a way that works well", it's a problem of will and a problem of preferring to have a system that they can corrupt and use to steal elections. You can't do that with a well-designed vote-by-mail system.
     
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    That's not how it works. That invites trouble.
     
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    so, tell me how does it work?
     
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    Get real! THAT isn't how it works. It isn't that sloppy.
     
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    DESIGNATED PEOPLE are used in states where it is conducted safely, fairly, honestly, and lawfully.

    "Rules depend on the state in which a voter resides. An absentee voter may be able to designate someone to submit their absentee ballot for them, such as:

    • A family member
    • A legal guardian
    • A caregiver
    • Another person allowed by law"
    https://www.findlaw.com/voting/how-...arvesting--what-is-it--how-does-it-work-.html

    Again, like in vote-by-mail, it's all dependent upon the will to make it safe, fair, honest, and lawful. It's a matter of will.
     
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