How Australia is dealing with the virus

That might be useful if the vaccination was able to stop or significantly reduce virus transmission - but it doesnt.

 

In part it depends on the strain. Delta? Latest reports Ive read say to early to tell (but that may be because it came late to this country. ) That said probably not as much as the other strains but some. What is clear from the data however is that they still reduce the severity of illness considerably. So vaccination is important to protect the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions. Over here also Delta seems to be killing much younger victims (albeit still in small numbers). Don't know if they fall under the 'underlying medical condition' category or not though.

Finally while all vaccines in use currently were 'rush jobs' work is ongoing at a slower pace on vaccines designed to target 'preserved' sections of the viral coating. If these prove out it would mean we'll finally have COVID on the ropes long term.

 

The vax does seem to reduce severity - but we must be careful to not conflate this with the natural tendency of a virus to have decreased toxicity with time - so must compare vaxed with unvaxed in terms of severity of illness. Hard to get good data sometimes .. but overall I agree with your points - and given I am not yet vaxed ... really interested in what you are saying about the slower pace vaccines ... the old style ones. I am a little worried yet about the long term effects of these Mrna vaxs.

 

Trouble is of course research into newer vaccines has to take into account how the virus adapts. So reserchers will have to test them against ALL current strains and any more that emerge short term. And that means it's going to take a while. Unless they get lucky and spot one or more conserved areas in the virus across all strains.

It's also unfair to criticize producers of current vacs for not producing ones capable of stopping all strains on their tracks. Most of the work was apparently done on the baseline virus and they were rushing to come up with something that worked asap. It was an entirely new virus after all.

It's also a miracle of medicine they got them out so quickly. 20 years ago there was no way we could have responded to an entirely new epidemic that fast. Leastways not one this transmissible.

 

EPIC AUSSIE RANT
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WDidVsR2Fsfu/

 

NSW is rolling out covid vaccines for Secondary school students next week...
Reminder Teenagers don't get sick from Covid

WATCH YOUR CHILDREN - THIS TEENAGER IN HOSPITAL AFTER COVID JAB
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AITExvhEP1Ly/

 

I believe it is YOU who owe ME an apology,

"95% OF THE SEVERE PATIENTS ARE VACCINATED". "85-90% OF THE HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE IN FULLY VACCINATED
https://www.bitchute.com/video/PN8Gzk3PqPIP/

 

Were you being sneaky in your wording, or just politically out of touch? "Democratically passed law," sounds like you are saying the Democratic Party was responsible-- which, if you live in CA, would indicate quite a detachment from even your own political surroundings-- but it was, "democratically passed," as a PROPOSITION on the CALIFORNIA BALLOT, that VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED.

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On January 1, 2022, a new law will take effect in California requiring hog farmers to provide more space for their livestock. ... In 2018, Californians overwhelmingly supported Proposition 12, an animal-welfare initiative designed to create humane conditions on the farm for calves, chickens and pigs.8 hours ago

https://www.smithsonianmag.com

 

Bitchute??? That's your source!!!. For a start I couldn't even see the report your were referring to. Secondly then it would have to have a link back to the source of the post there. So get that far and we'll talk. FYI, the claim your making hasn't been substantiated anywhere else in main stream media as yet. And it would be because it would be a major, major story.

That aside.

1) I never actually asked you specifically for an apology (re-read my post). I stated that it was a good idea as a general principal to apologize if/when proven wrong. (Or at least acknowledge the mistake)
2) I'll apologize when you actually produce real evidence supporting your claim. Because no-one else is reporting that all the sick currently in hospital in NSW? were fully vaccinated prior to admission. And that's the claim that got you into this predicament in the first place.

You dug the hole your in. So go dig yourself out.

 

I am not an Australian, so there is no nationalism involved in this response. I have, however, spent a considerable amount of time in Australia and I have travelled around both coasts of the USA - so perhaps I might be in the position to view both societies objectively.

Despite apparent similarities, there is a great deal of social difference between Australia and the USA. Australian values are much more aligned with those of Britain and continental Europe.

We need to examine the concepts of 'rights' and 'freedoms' to discuss this objectively, and to understand that there are no such things as 'God-given rights' (partly because there is not a scintilla of evidence that a God, or Gods, exist). These are matters of belief, and should be respected as such, but may not logically be used as evidence of anything other than a belief. "God told me to do it." Would not be accepted as a defence in any court of law - other than that in an extremist theocracy. Any rights or freedoms we may enjoy are those afforded by the society in which we live - try asserting your right to life with a tiger in the Malay jungle.

In Australia, the citizens are afforded free at the point of service medical care, including hospitalisation, government funded old age pensions, widow's pensions, unemployment benefits which are not time limited, subsidised housing, and so on. I might argue that these represent far more useful freedoms, than the right to carry a killing machine. Australians are also comfortable with the fact that the lowest per capita gun deaths are in Australia, Japan, Norway, and the UK.

Perhaps it might be wise to investigate such factors as standard of living, lethal violence, and social justice, before making statements such as - "In Australia, you have as much freedom as the government sees fit to give you today, and it is subject to change by decree tomorrow."

 

The system worked fairly well - right up until the Delta variant arrived. And its a little early yet to tell yet whether that will get away from us. Infections are still in the low hundreds per day and appear 'stuck' there at the moment i.e. not going up, not coming down.

As for the space thing? Its not really a help. Last time I checked our urbanization rate is higher than that of the US. The majority of our population is concentrated in only 4 large cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth (and their outskirts). So having a largely uninhabited semi-arid interior doesn't help much.

 

Even IF this is true, how many cases have there been of post vaccination cardiomyopathy? Have we established a clear causal link? And on balance to this, if true, how many children have had permanent damage from the virus?

 

more clickbait rubbish

A VIDEO IS NOT RESEARCH

See - I can shout too!

 

Wow 37 replies, sorry it's simply too many, so please if you quoted me in this thread consider this my reply.

I have several friends and family who had covid,

• most barely sniffed, they had no symptoms...these were mainly young people,
• some said it was like flu....these were over 40 and 50....
• 1 were seriously ill - over 50 and
• 1 needed oxygen...over 50.
• 2 died over 60

I don't believe covid is a hoax I believe you can get seriously ill from it if you are over 50, but there are treatment options currently not being used and too many doctors and people who were vaccinated have come out with serious lifelong debilitating issues after vaccination.

In this latest video from Dr Ryan Cole, he says the myocardites will cause permanent scar tissue on the hart...so when you inject young people with these vaccines...you are causing permanent damage....that does not even include the fertility issues, brain damage and many other problems reported.

He straight out says the vaccine is poison, and if this is true...then the Australian government and Australian media is committing genocide by pushing this vaccine

DR RYAN N COLE: A PATHOLOGIST'S SUMMARY OF WHAT THESE INJECTIONS DO TO YOUR BRAIN & OTHER ORGANS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Sjl0KqNIdNO2/

DAY 107 OF A LIVING HELL. HER STORY CONTINUES. SHE IS BACK IN THE HOSPITAL - PFIZER KILL SHOT
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lSsQLunagw6b/

Instead these treatments already tested and approved for other illnesses should be used to treat covid. Why are they burying this information?

 

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A lucid and well constructed argument.

Well about as 'lucid and well constructed' as anything else you've posted recently. So at least your consistent.

 

So, you will not believe the governments of multiple nations across the world who have countless experts advising them but you will believe some half baked idiot on the internet ?

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/s...ess-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/

 

LOL! Would you care to elaborate? With what precisely in that post do you so eloquently disagree? Enquiring minds long to know!

 

The vaccines are not vaccines, they are experimental biological agents, there is a filing being made in the Hague now to stop the use, (per the video by America's Frontline Doctors)
The experimental biological agents are also potentially antibody dependent enhancement, instead of causing immunity it causes a person to overreact if a person is exposed to the virus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement

The biological agent also mimic covid 19 in the body indefinitely, therefore any damage covid 19 causes to the placenta, this damage will then be replicated in human placentas indefinitely. It is specifically on this issue that the filing is being made in the Hague currently. *28min 29 min in video

America's Frontline Doctors recommendations on these biological agents at the end of the video but briefly as follows
Under 20's prohibited
20 - 50 Strongly against
see video below for rest or America's Frontline Doctors website below

https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/
There's a link to stop the experimental biological agent use below the video, please sign it to save lives, this biological agent is being injected into secondary school children in Sydney as I type this....it is simply horrific what these people are prepared to do for a pay check.

VACCINES TRUTHS BY DOCTORS AND LAWYERS - AMERICASFRONTLINEDOCTORS.ORG
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qsl5RvnFlOAL/

In addition to this nightmare stories have emerged on
FORCED COVID TREATMENTS IN SYDNEY HOSPITAL WITH POLICE HOLDING DOWN PATIENTS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/85oFSHrb2Itw/
The interview with the young man I believe to follow tonight

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NDA9Rmlz0Umj/

 

BRAVO


Vaccine was NOT the basket
should 100% invest!

Get It Or Not

Support Antiviral Research
Acyclovir for herpes, chickenpox and shingles too.
Tamiflu (oral) effective for both type A & B influenza
not included in public programs!


I Am Glad I Chose J&J vaccine
considering the variant getting by on
the 2 shot BS.
continues to . . . . etc.

J&J All The Way!


Moi

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OK I'll deal with your 'Tamiflu' BS first.

Yes research has shown that taking Tamiflu within 48 hours of symptom onset can shave approximately one day from a typical seven-to-10-day illness. A more recent study showed that in patients 65 years old and older (who had more severe illness and other health conditions), up to two to three days could be shaved off using Tamiflu.... and

The best candidates are people at risk of complications from the flu because their immune system doesn’t work well. For example, those who have diabetes, asthma or other respiratory disorders, liver, blood or neurological conditions and heart disease or chronic kidney disease. It is also may have an impact a possible option for those who are significantly overweight.

So for the large majority of the population your 'miracle drug' has at best a marginal impact on how sick you feel and for how long. It also doesn't doesn't prevent infection and importantly it also has no (zero) effect on transmission (unlike a vaccine which does have a measurable impact on transmission).

Acyclovir? it's used to decrease pain and speed the healing of sores or blisters in people who have varicella (chickenpox), herpes zoster (shingles) and first-time or repeat outbreaks of genital herpes. In none of these diseases is it a prophylactic agent. This is in part because prolonged use of Accylovir can lead to serious side effects including kidney damage, hrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura (TTP) and hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS). Finally it also does not prevent transmission of infection to others.

So rub yourself all over with Acyclovir if you want. Your still going to share your 'special gift' with your partner if you don't take other precautions.

Now are there any other things you want to be GROSSLY IN ERROR about before I move on to talk with the adults in the room?