Reagan said: "Government is the problem". That isn't accurate

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  1. Libhater

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    Reagan was saying that exact phrase before he got elected president. Evidently you just overlooked or actually disagreed with that statement when you voted for Reagan. And as someone else in this thread asked as to what exact government actions/policies were beneficial to the average individual American that was passed by Pelosi and signed by Biden these past 8 months? I don't believe there were any answers or examples of a government passed legislation that actually benefitted the individual. I could be wrong, for I haven't read all of the responses. I could post all of the govt actions signed by President Trump that actually benefitted average Americans, but the list is too long to bother with. I do believe that Reagan was referring to government being the problem when there is a democrat leader in the House (as was the case when he was potus), or when there is a democrat president at the helm.
     
  2. Patricio Da Silva

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    The government tends to do things which, by nature, are rightfully it's turf, like police, fire, defense, and in more detail,
    ID cards, permits, etc. But, the various departments provide useful services and reports for policy makers and act as regulatory bodies for various industries.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, did the gov 'destroy' Enron, or Enron, via malpractice, bring it on itself?
     
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    Nope no force
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    the law is not meant to be, though it can be. That is why we have courts.
    You'll need to be more specific.
    What is it about 'government control' that bothers you. Please elaborate.
    No, you are engaging in what is known as 'projectionism'.

    Your comments seem to suggest you are offended by laws, rules, regulations, that they deny you 'freedom', yet you fail to define what freedom is.

    You seem to suggest government laws, rules, regs, are antithetical to freedom.

    That isn't true, per se, but you seem to be saying it. I will accept that government can over do it, such as the Patriot Act, but you are not being specific, and on this subject, you need to be.

    You really need to articulate what the you mean by 'freedom', because you have done that, as of yet.

    You may think you did, but in point of fact, whatever it is you wrote, it's inadequate for the subject.

    Oh, you may try and weasel out of it by declaring I'm the one engaging in mental gymnastics, that by accusing me of that particular debate sin, no one will notice that it is actually you doing it.

    Nice try, though.

    So, what, precisely, is your ideal regarding 'freedom'? What is your problem?

    You have only alluded to it, thus far. So, quit being vague or lazy, and clue us in.
     
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    Reforming the code book is a monumental task.

    With so many priorities any given president has on his plate, going there is, and always has been, low priority.
     
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    It is meant to be semantics'
    It is true per se

    I have answered you and proven you wrong

    It is you twisting spinning and engaging in mental gymnastics not me everyone knows it including you
     
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    There are a lot of probems in government and the private sector.

    The right rags on the gov because it gets donations and makes good soundbites.

    I've seen that list, most of it is padding, EOs. etc/. provided for his signature that his underlings did all the work in for which he played little, or more likely, no part..

    In fact, unlike Biden, who was very active in the framework of the infrastructure and stimulous package, Trump was lazy, leaving work to be done by others, and jsut putting his signature on things. Trump spent more time golfing ( costing tax payers far more than any president in history ) than any president in history.

    He was a good signer of documents, and that's about it.

    And, the **** he ****ed up on? The **** he caused, the wrongs he did? There are a couple of dozen books recently published devoted to the subject, a plight, given by the degree of books published, surpassed that of any president in history.

    Trump is, truly, nefarious, but, of course, you will gloss over it.

    Just look at the pervasive corruption:

    https://prospect.org/mapping-corruption-interactive

    This, in it's vastness, is but one tiny corner of the many books on Trump.
     
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    I just proved you wrong and you know it.
     
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    No you did not you know the opposite go argue with kids and leave the adults alone
     
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    Yep you have to do none of those things, just look at the homeless.
     
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    You haven't done squat.

    Quit projecting.
     
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    Yes I have and everyone knows it especially you.

    you are the one projecting
     
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    I agree that Reagan was wrong. Bureaucratic centralised government is the problem.

    Government works best when it has a high citizen:representative ratio and strong decentralisation of government.

    Kudos to the Swiss in this regard.

    End chevron deference, scale back the executive bureaucracy considerably, and force legislators to do their job making the law instead of delegating all their powers to the executive branch to exploit the incumbent advantage and coast to an easy life at the expense of their consistuents.
     
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    I completely agree, though nothing you mention amounts to selling a product.
     
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    Enron obviously brought on its own demise; I was referring to Arthur Anderson.
     
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    Yes, this is an incontrovertible fact of life and government. Besides there is very little a president can do about it. Reminds me: The Arizona Daily Star (Tucson) used to annually print the year's actions of the AZ legislature. It usually took about three full newspaper pages of tiny font size to list all the new laws.
     
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    Andersen was convicted of obstruction of justice for shredding documents related to its audit of Enron. The government didn't take them down, their crimes did.
     
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    Incompetent rebuttal, weasel words.
     
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    If you add up gov payroll, gov expenditures, sans military and entitlements, just the actual government, the payroll, the buildings, it's not that big at all, compared to the rest of the nation.

    Y'all are living in fantasy land.
     
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    Which was my question, not my 'premise'.
     
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    SCOTUS unanimously reversed Arthur Andersen's conviction.
     
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    Most of Laws of which hardly effect you are me, or the average citizen. That vast majority of it is just arcane stuff.
     
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    Says the guy proven wrong
     
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    Funny, the same corrupt attorney that sacked Arthur Anderson led Mueller's team. What a dishonest lying weasel.
     
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