Texas 6-week abortion ban takes effect after Supreme Court inaction

First, I never said it wasn't human so that's a fallacy that (again) you built into a strawman argument. What you know and refuse to admit because, well, who know why, is that the distinction between fetus and "baby" is a distinction that is centuries old is the scientific and legal reason that there are no "babies" being killed, murdered or any other word you want to use. The religious right made the non-scientific distinction for their own political purposes.
Your "baby", "killing" argument has no scientific nor legal standing. It has a religious standing but that doesn't matter. That's simply a plea to emotion.

 

Abortion-Seekers Fleeing Texas Are Getting A Taste Of What Anti-Lockdowners Have Felt For A Year And A Half
Getting yourself out from under government rule you don't like is no easy task. Just ask lockdown opponents.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/0...-lockdowners-have-felt-for-a-year-and-a-half/

Unintended consequences.

 

Do you know that men are the other part of that equation and have made the same choice with an equal burden of prevention yet have no liability. ALSO, no one has said that the state forcing them to get pregnant (how can one person make so many falsehoods on one thread.......you're name isn't Trump, is it) but the state says women HAVE to give birth while the men.............nothing.

No, if the man wants the baby he CAN take it to court. Some win, some lose.
I see you're going to keep making your own facts.

Yes, it is but that has nothing to do with the statement you put that answer to. Would you like to try again? Your go-to move (which you do a lot) is intellectual dishonesty. Sad

Both things are wrong.

 

No, if you're worried about getting pregnant you should use proper protection.
If you're pregnant and worried about birth then you should be able to terminate it as that's your right to your body.

Pregnant women no matter what they choose, already have to bear the responsibility. A newborn or an abortion are both something stressful to handle.

And if government wants to meddle in a woman's decision to her body, bear the responsibility.

You speak of self-control and responsibility.
Self-control would be government not forcing their way onto women's body.
Being responsible would be to provide assistance for violating women's rights.

 

Your claim of subjectivity has no basis to be accepted and all evidence as to why it is rejected.

 

Not for females.

 

What made up name do I use, I call the life in the womb what it is a human being, a human baby they are not mutually exclusive even with the more formal biological term Zef but then we don't really refer to each other with such formal biological terms do we. Why do you insist here? Why do you seem to object to perfectly normal terms being used here in our casual conversation?

 

Being a woman means you would never be drafted and forced into combat does than mean women are excluded from discussions about going to war and should have no input?

Are you saying that President Biden should be muzzeled about the issue because he is a man? What about men who give birth?

 

That is one of the worst analogy's I think I have ever seen.

 

In other words, you know you are wrong.
There are no murky waters which that post clearly showed.

 

You mean other than your argument that you have to pay the consequences for your actions. They did have options that are taken away.

 

Im not sure of your point. 100% of all humans die. Some late and some early. Yet that gives us license to kill?

 

Sometimes 'beliefs" override information and facts. Sex education and family planning/ responsibility should be mandatory in schools. But I can see the religious zealots resisting that........as they resist science and medical factual information. These topics should be taught by a medical personnel. (eg: the school nurse.)

 

Holy crap, I almost agree with you. If the man wants the child and the woman doesn't I don't think it's completely fair that he has no choice in the matter.

 

fair enough I'm sorry I misrepresented your argument.

So if it's human killing it is killing a human how is it not?

 

OK at conception there is a living human being, a life.

 

that's not true I know plenty of men that have to pay child support for mistakes they have made.

Notice I recognize their mistakes so I'm not absolving them of anything. They should pay child support.

It's just whether or not they do is subject to a woman's choice. This is the pro-choice side that made this not my position.

I think people should be responsible for their own actions.

 

ROFL the state tries to remedy LOTS of stuff it doesn't force people to do.

And that being said there are LOTS of adoption agencies that work with the mother and the adoptive parents to pay the cost so it's a non-issue.

 

Disagree.

 

proper protection is a safeguard for reckless Behavior but it's not 100%, so you would still be a little worried about getting pregnant and that's because of your behavior and unless you're in a forced breeding facility

 

Well you can't really prove that because medicine is advancing all the time so it is going to be subject to that.

 

True, but short of removing and transplanting the fetus into a man, there is no equivalence to the 9 months of gestation and the risk and pain of labor and death.

 

Yes there are because viability is subject to a lot of different things including location so that is murky the fact that you don't want to acknowledge that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

It's not just women. It's 2021. Men can get pregnant now too

 

There is no problem killing adults in crazy wars of CHOICE..............Most abortions deal with a nonviable fetus........ and many are because the mother's health is in danger.

It is usually medical issue. If someone chooses to abort ........they have reasons........and those are personal.........and noone has the right to pass judgement. .......as no one is in her shoes.

The legal system has far too much control over issues that are medical and personal. The decision to abort should be between the woman, her medical advisor .......and if relevant ........the sperm donor.