Can we have an honest talk about the Elephant in the room?

I've just resigned myself to watch the country implode over partisan politics from my balcony ...

just cracked a beer, have a fresh doobie rolled, chicken and lamb kebabs marinating in the fridge, wife out shopping (loading up on TP again as we hear shortages are coming), no grandkids today ...

let me know when the civil war starts ...

 

Nailed it.

 

I'm hoping Barrett sticks to her words:

"I think don't think the core case – Roe's core holding that, you know, women have a right to an abortion – I don't think that would change. But I think the question of whether people can get very late-term abortions, how many restrictions can be put on clinics – I think that would change," Barrett said at the time.

Of course, she doesn't elaborate on how many restrictions that would be, but she clearly doesn't see Roe being overturned.

When we politicize things, we degrade them, we reduce them to their simplest parts. The abortion debate has been reduced to push-button activism; by that I mean opponents of Roe think that a SC justice can simply push a button, a voila, no more Roe. It's not that simple.

Good article:

The Rights and Wrongs of Overruling Precedent – Reason.com

Of note...

The Supreme Court has over time developed four factors to consider when overturning precedent: the quality of the past decision's reasoning, its consistency with related decisions, legal developments since the past decision, and reliance on the decision throughout the legal system and society.

Not a push button.

I keep referring to this from Roe, which no anti-abortionist has addressed:

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Texas urges that, apart from the Fourteenth Amendment, life begins at conception and is present throughout pregnancy, and that, therefore, the State has a compelling interest in protecting that life from and after conception. We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer.

It would seem the Court does indeed need to resolve this question, if it seeks to overturn Roe. I'm not aware of any current knowledge or development that would challenge Roe based on the four factors.

the quality of the past decision's reasoning
its consistency with related decisions
legal developments since the past decision
reliance on the decision throughout the legal system and society

I don't see Roe v Wade taking a fall.

 

When does life begin? Easy question. When the egg is fertilized and has the possibility of development into a being separate from its mother.
Not sure why that's such a hard question. That's when it begins. That's when it has begun, without exception, for billions and billions of humans and trillions of other mamals.

 

So the egg itself is not living, the sperm itself is not living?

 

Neither the egg nor the sperm, by themselves, have the ability to grow into a human being. So no. Are they both organic material, and in that sense "alive"? Sure. But they are just that, and will remain just that, and nothing more (though definitely something less) if left by themselves. By themselves, neither can ever be a separate human being at any point in the future.

 

And now Bloody Old Joe And Kackling Kamala Are an anchor around the neck of Dems going into the mid-terms:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ard-2022-victories-in-both-houses-of-congress

Biden just lurches from one FU to the next.

Great point: 3-4-2 is better than 3-3-3.

 

Notice the lack of reflection? The insistence in couching everything as Dems vs Repubs? Liberals vs Conservatives? This is an untenable position for society.

 

And the Steve Bannons', the Mercers, the Chinese, the Iranians and the Russians know it.

 

One can't help but notice the irony of calling the GOP a "death cult" and then using a Texas law restricting abortion as an example! I sometimes wonder if irony is a lost art...

It sounds like this is addressed to fellow travelers on the left, not people on the right, so as far as worrying about GOP moderates go, the GOP has been mostly anti abortion since the late 70's, so I'm not sure in what way you feel the moderates have gone. Is the GOP far more extremist than it was 10 years ago? 20 years ago? I doubt it but if you want to make your case go for it, however if you are using abortion as an example you are off to a bad start.

 

Leftist fascism help spread RW ideas. Be prepared for the 2022 response.

 

In your OP you talk about "both sides do it". Steve's post was showing that both sides ARE doing it. And you are ignoring it. In favor of denigrating Republicans. BLM/ANTIFA assaulted federal buildings last year. That is a fact. They destroyed billions of dollars worth of businesses. That is a fact. Yet you can only point to 2 riots by by conservatives since 2016.

You also holler about a "full frontal assault on the will of the majority", Steve pointed out where the majority wants voter ID, but people on the left do not and thinks that its racist to have it. Meaning that your cry about "full frontal assault on the will of the majority" is nothing more than a talking point as it is applied selectively.

Steve address two of your points talked about in the OP. He most certainly WAS on topic. You however cannot argue against what he said as it destroys your whole premise. So, you are just trying to deflect by claiming a strawman.

 

Ironic considering that is exactly what your OP does.

 

Are those your fairy tail glass slippers or you ruby slippers ( yet another fairy tail).... just like Biden most popular win...

 

So any thoughts on the most vaccinated country on the planet having the highest infection rate on the planet (triple the United States)? Are we to believe you regarding vaccines or our lying eyes? Remember, you are the side that wants us vaccinated at the point of the gun. We are the side of our bodies our choice.



https://www.businessinsider.com/isr...-rate-is-rising-despite-vaccine-uptake-2021-8

 

I dunno about Republicans, but republicans place individual liberty over the desire of the majority, and always have, pretty much by definition. A 'republic' is defined as being governed by a rule of law the limits what even a democratic majority can do. We can't enslave people, for example, no matter how many of us vote to do it, because we're a republic before we're a democracy (a true democracy could legalize slavery, torture and murder of a minority with a simple majority). The mob is not the law for us republicans, and that is not new.

 

I grew up in a White Christian Ehno-state and I got to say, one could do a whole lot worse. DIE is definitely dragging us down.

 

I would say your description is the party of the left. During 2020 there were 8 months of riots by bln and antifa I never remember seeing these rioters carrying Trump flags. Our president excuse them for their murder rape sedition and terrorism.

If we can point to one party that's violent and extremist it's the left there is no question.

What people say about people who don't want the vaccine and that's extreme I never hear anybody say people who get vaccinated you should die.

I think you're pointing the finger at other people to try and eliminate your own party's guilt.

 

What a regurgitation of leftist thunk tank diarrhea. I guess Blacks and Latinos are now the party of Trump since 65% of them want no part of the vaccine. Kind of shoots down the entire thought process it took to actually post this.

Everyone should read this post, print it out, and put it on their wall to remind them how far the left has gone off the rails every day. This poster actually believes this stuff and sees no problem spreading it around. Given the fact there are certainly maturity markers all over this tripe, this is the perfect example of what they really believe and how shallow their media thinking process is.

And we are being preached at by the same party cult that supported the screaming at the sky rallies, vagina costume protesting, (I have to admit, that was pretty f***ing funny) campus riots stopping free speech, 8 months of burning down businesses, killing Americans, Killing Cops, in 24 DEMOCRAT run cities who refused to stop it, taking over Seattle, defunding police, giving free medical, housing, money, and school to illegals, raising sanctuary cities and so on.

One needs look no farther than the Liberal utopia of California to get a peek at what 40 years of Democrat control looks like.
A state that has more revenue than 95% of the countries on the planet but still needs billions every year in bail out
Homeless living and s***ing in the streets
Plague infested rats
Highest housing cost in the US
Highest homeless population in the US
Highest gas prices in the US
Highest taxes in the US
Shore line oceans so polluted you wouldn't dare swim in them

But to have the actual capacity to just pretend nothing I have posted exist to make a post about the Republican death cult?

That, In itself, speaks for itself. This is how they slurp up CNN regurgitations and come on political chat boards and regurgitate it here.
I have NEVER seen a post so totally void of any basic common sense. This is a first for me.

Already, we hear reports from the FBI that White Supremacists were studying the Taliban’s actions during the Afghan pullout in order to do the same here.

You mean like walking into the city without a shot fired and watching Biden leave for vacation for 5 days?
Or Biden refusing to send in out troops to get out people out
Or The Coward Biden leaving Americans behind

Can you clarify which part these White Supremacists are studying? All 100 of them. Maybe.

 

I cannot see that happening - not with the rush to deny women’s rights. By then the rise in maternal mortality will be noticeable and you will have been flooded with tragic stories

 

it won't end. The country is a lost cause. The best option is to legalize secession and let each state make its own choice.

Just us 3 West Coast States, California, Oregon, and Washington, will still be the 6th largest economy on the planet. No doubt many other Blue States will join us and continue the American dream.

We have the majority of the resources, intellectuals and academia, and industry. And the red states have been a drag on us blue states since the civil war. Now half the red states mostly just grow corn for the ethanol scam. We would be better off without them.

 

How can there be a rise in maternal mortality. Did you come to the conclusion that once they reach 6 weeks, there was nothing that can be done to save the mother needing an abortion.
If thats what you are eluding too, can you provide such information

 

When you start taking away people's freedom, many people have a tendency to start "going off the rails".

Anyway, in my personal assessment, progressives have really begun going off the rails in recent times, only in a different way of course.

(I don't want to accuse all progressives, but the mainstream progressive establishment it seems)

 

Hasn't that served us pretty well since Hector was a pup?

 

Where are you going to get those billions in bail out dollars every year? I missed that part reading the worlds 6th largest economy. And that would include forgiving the 1.3 trillion in debt California is right now.
And before you leave I would get that 1960s water system fixed before those shortages triple and you might want to consider closing those sanctuary cities before you run out of hospital supplies since you are going self sufficient.

Just a thought before you go.