Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

Just Like Trumps impeachment trials the Senate Republicans protected Trump by not investigating impartially Trumps crimes.

General Miley doing his part to save the world from a Loose cannon

 

What Trump crimes? We have an Executive Branch that investigates crimes. What "crimes" did Congress find?

Oh, right, NONE.

 

Because the House did impeach Trump for crimes

and the Senate didn't due their due diligence because Trump was their Republican President

 

No, the House impeached Trump for politics. You seem confused about basic facts. That's your problem, not mine.

 

Off-Topic Comment: Today is Constitution Day...the day in 1787 in which the delegates to the Constitutional Convention signed the U.S. Constitution...234 years ago. Let's hear it for the Founding Fathers...flaws and all and work to make it better.

 

You display a tremendous amount of ignorance about all-things nuclear, which is probably why you drank the Kool-Aid.

A President cannot order a nuclear strike. That is not how it works. If you knew anything about nuclear weapons, you'd know that.

I understand you succumbed to the Göbbelizations of Hollyweird and the Federation of Ass-Clown Scientists and the Brookings Institute, but there's no excuse to not seek Truth.

There's a reason why they're called nuclear weapons systems.

"System" is the operand. For those who don't understand the meaning of the word "system" I suggest you get up to speed.

A nuclear warhead is merely one component of a multi-component system. It will not function without the other components. Period.

There are redundant safeguards built-in at various levels to accomplish different goals.

At the most basic levels, there are redundant safeguards to prevent unauthorized access to a nuclear weapons system component.

There are redundant safeguards to prevent the sabotage, damage, destruction, theft or loss of a nuclear warhead or one of its system components. In the interest of full disclosure, I was at Ramstein WSA one day getting ready to talk to a Pershing II warhead and when I opened the port to hook up the talk-box, I could see it was a dummy warhead. I was with a warrant office from one of the ordnance companies, and I said hey Chief, where's the warhead?

We had to go hunt it down. It was right where it was supposed to be, just in the wrong shipping container, but the point is we found it because the safeguards work.

There's redundant safeguards to prevent the accidental or unauthorized detonation of a nuclear warhead.

And, as you might guess, there's redundant safeguards to ensure the authorized use/launch/delivery of a nuclear weapon.

Hollyweird probably has you convinced the President just pushes a button and away we go, but that's not how it works.

It requires two cabinet level officers, ideally, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of State to concur with the President before anything else happens.

Makes you wonder why General Milley Cyrus conveniently forgot to tell you that.

As you might guess, there are any number of scenarios where one or both Secretaries may not be with the President, or may not have access to secure communications or otherwise cannot be located. Relax. There's protocols for that, too.

Let's assume Trump gave the order and both the Secretary of Defense and State happened to concur.

Do we have a launch? Nope.

All that means is the guy with the "football" can open the "football" except he can't, because it takes two people to open it and if one of them doesn't wanna open it, well, there you go.

Do we have a launch? Nope.

There are still built-in safeguards.

It's funny how General Milley Cyrus didn't mention the National Security Directive.

What's it say? It says no first use. No first use is not merely policy, it is a lawful standing special order.

Everyone in a position to actually launch/use a nuclear weapon knows that.

You're expected to disobey an unlawful order, and a first-strike order is an unlawful order.

So, the possibility of Trump or any other President "going rogue" is sheer fantasy.

General Cyrus is a toy-soldier politician. He probably wants to keep his job, so there are two possibilities, one is that he's trying to distance himself from Trump to keep his job, and the other is that the Hiden Administration is leaning on General Cyrus to push this false narrative and so's to keep his job, he'll do what his taskmasters say.

 

I would argue Milley's actions would lead one to think that we're not a nation of laws. Your current argument seems to boil down to you thinking that Milley thought Trump was going to launch an attack against China, a possible illegal act, and therefore Milley was legally and morally justified in warning China of any potential attack. I think I must have stated multiple times why I disagree with that and don't think that's found in law anywhere. I'm not sure what is to be gained with continuing to converse about what to me is a totally insane idea.

I just think you may someday rue the precedent this sets.

 

At the bottom level, either you think that a Presidential election elects a CIC, or, like the leftists here propose, the election is of no meaning unless the elected* is a Democrat, then the rules of order must be followed.

* cheated the hell out of the election, for FACT.

 

Interesting...although I'm not too sure on how you got there? So...I assume one of the people with the "open code" is the President. Who is the other one? Also...think the process may have changed since you were at Ramstein. The President does have the authority to legally order a nuclear strike. But there are people in the process who could question the legality.

 

Not at all "Lil Mike." Milley thought the opposite...and was reassuring the Chinese, who may have thought that, that it was not the case.

 

Given your comments in this thread that's hella ironic.

 

Sure it was, and I bet no less than 40 writers at the NYT literally spilled their seed (some him-seeds, some her-seeds) over this news, with the help from themselves, of course.

 

You keep saying "reassuring" but you keep forgetting what he actually said:

“General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

 

If the left controls the Presidency, then all Presidential actions are legit, even if an obvious dementia patient is giving the orders.

if the "right" controls the Presidency, leftists invent complete ficticious episiodes of fiction to fail to make their point. This is easy for anyone with an IQ over 2 to see. Literally.

 

Which is, according to leftists' own definitions, treason, insurrection, and sedition.

Guess the leftists don't care anything about logical consistency.

 

And? What's your point?

 

Bogus.

Trump was a peace broker and ended wars.

Besides this call to China was in October of 2020, which of course is before the election.

 

Unless there was a prior Chinese attack, any order to launch an attack on China would be an illegal order. Milley is simply saying that we aren't going to allow the President to make an illegal order, but if he does, I'll call you.

 

This is exactly why the founding fathers decided that the prez would hold the leash on the military.

 

It's been made multiple times. Don't worry about it, it's not for you.

 

Great post and you speak from direct experience.

 

I sorta think this is a BS attempt to justify what was actually the unthinkable. It was the dirtiest politics I have ever seen and I remember Nixon and Watergate. If a President is unfit for office you remove him, you don't plot with foreign governments to betray him.

 

I'd have to check, but I think at that time, the President was saying that the only way he could lose was if the election was rigged. There was a lot of concern about the validity of the President's crystal ball.

 

You've been telling us why, talking in circles and literally defeating your own argument. If you have the answers spill the beans with facts instead of just spouting untruths maybe?

 

There was no plotting. Milley was simply saying that there was no legal way for the President to order a strike against China unprovoked. If the President succeeded in issuing an illegal order, Milley would let China know.