"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

I'm saying they can spread it. I wrote it in English. Not sure how you got confused.

 

Like who? Since we are doing an account of people who "couldn't help being sick" I'll past the same judgment on those you think deserve to have a bed for an ailment they could have avoided the same as you are with Covid.

K?

 

While breakthrough cases exist, compared to the unvaccinated, it is not an issue, hence the link to the problems in the areas that were vaccination adverse.

 

Latest CDC reports that the amount of vaccinated people having gotten covid at one time is under reported as the data relies on volunteered information and since most of those vaccinated are either minor symptoms or asymptomatic, they are likely to not report it.

Try again, fella.

And yes. Break through cases do exist.

 

Those cases are rare. The issue is the unvaccinated.

 

If you are talking about those requiring medical attention, yes unvaccinated are much more likely to require medical aid then those vaccinated. If you are talking about who's spreading it? Both parties are guilty.

I bring this up because now it limits your disagreement with those unvaccinated as taking up hospital space.

 

Wrong, the unvaccinated are the issue. If you read the articles it was due to the unvaccinated, period.

 

Show me the statistics on how many that are vaccinated that are spreading the virus.

I'll wait

 

That was your assertion not mine.

 

This is what the left can't come to grips with. My guess (yes it's just a guess as there's no way to know) is that the vaccinated are the ones spreading it far more than the unvaccinated. The reasons are simple: When an unvaccinated person gets covid they show symptoms, get tested, test positive, then quarantine and stop spreading it. When a vaccinated person gets covid they just keep on going about their daily lives spreading it because their symptoms, if any, aren't severe enough for them to go get tested.

The argument that the unvaccinated are the problem just because they are taking up hospital space is a VERY incomplete argument.

 

I'm not saying it's "far more" I am simply saying they are spreading it. And likely as much. So the argument of "if only people got vaccinated, covid wouldn't spread" is a dead argument. That's not the case. I am removing that argument from the table as to why someone should get vaccinated.

So now it is ONLY about hospitalizations and the assertion that unvaccinated people are second class humans for taking up hospital space. And now we can discuss that logic by stating (and correctly so) that most everyone in the ****ing hospital is there because of piss poor life choices...LIKE not taking a vaccine and getting sick with COVID. So if you want to start policing people for making poor life choices regarding COVID, I'm going to start policing EVERYONE for wasting hospital space and resources on ailments caused as a biproduct of piss poor life choices.

You do not get to be selective.

So heart disease? **** you. Your diet likely brought it on. Go suffer at home you half human. That's if I were to use the same logic demonstrated within this thread.

Does everyone get it now? Or do I need to use sock puppets?

 

You misinterpreted my entire ****ing post.

Read it again.

 

I did and edited it to reinforce my statement since there are people not "getting it".

 

Your post (responding to me) seriously looked like it was meant for someone else.

Also, in line with what we're saying, is that the 2021 uptick in cases has coincided with the percentage of vaccinated going up.

Correlation doesn't equal causation but it's interesting at the very least.

 

Ya I got it. It's more probably that you are correct. As the likelihood of asymptomatic vaccinated carriers is probably very high. That still just kills the argument that "if only everyone were vaccinated this virus wouldn't spread (or even mutate)". It still brings us back to the sole argument against demanding someone to get injected with something they do not feel comfortable with, and that's because of healthcare resources.

The conversation these guys seem to be stuck in, is to want to actively discriminate against those who do not vaccinate. That it shouldn't be completely fair for someone to take their chances and not get vaccinated and then require health care. That's who we are. We do not discriminate against those who take up health resources caused by piss poor life choices. We've never done that and we never should. Because that's a dark rabbit hole to go down.

 

Yea they are arguing that if you make life choice X, then you can no longer receive Y (even though your tax dollars pay for Y).

IMO, this is an indefensible position to take.

And how on earth did we start going down this path over a virus with a 99%+ survival rate? If this doesn't scream politics I don't know what does.

 

It’s actually contagious pathogenically and socially.


Obesity is a transmissible disease. The obese are also disproportionate spreaders of most infectious diseases including Covid, influenza and certain skin infections.


We have known for a long time gut microbes determine many aspects of health, from lifelong immune system health to gastrointestinal dysfunction including obesity.

Around 2014-15 research started coming in showing how ratios of different gut bacteria affect obesity. Here is one such study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4644874/

Now more specific research is coming in on how these microbes are transmitted. It has been found spore forming bacteria and non spore forming bacteria influence to a large degree what kind of microbes you end up with in the gut. The specifics of what exact ratios are “best” and “worst” are yet to be determined and will take a while as there are millions of combinations of organisms to consider. But these microorganisms are most certainly passed from human to human from at birth through adulthood. In fact, fecal transplants are being studied as a way to reverse “bad” colonization of the gut.

It should be noted that the ratios of good and bad gut microbes can be influenced to the good side by a healthy diet.

On the viral side of the equation, adenoviruses are known to be linked to obesity in animals and humans. There are a few suggested physiological causes that have not been completely determined, but adenovirus infection is correlated strongly with obesity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4517116/

This is a cutting edge area of science, and of course our choices trump pathogenic components (as I said above our diet affects our micro biome). But the infectious component of obesity is a certainty.

Now, moving on to the more important aspect of obesity. The psychological contagious component.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/11/5/obesity-obese-people-social/

If you note the date of the link, it is from 2010. Notice the projection in bold. Guess what the obesity rate is today in the US? About 42.5%!

Here is another study.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmsa066082

So not only can obesity be spread by pathogens, it is socially contagious as well.

 

Jimmy Kimmel is a moron, only fools and dunderheads take medical advice from him.



One year ago, with zero people vaccinated, our 7 day average death was 399/day.

9/13/2021 with 84% of the population at least partially vaccinated our 7 day average death is 1,615/day

All of Trump's COVID deaths took place in his final year. At Biden's currently daily death rate he is on pace to surpass Trump on 12/21/21.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-deaths-daily

If all these vaccines are overcoming the harm of Biden deliberately flooding our cities with unvaccinated illegals, why are death rates 405% under Biden than they were a year ago, under The Orange Miracle?

 

Well BLM are calling vaccine mandates racists and are calling on Trump supporters to join them in protests.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-vaccine-mandate-protesters-storm-nyc-food-court

Democrats and their circular firing squad..... LMAO....

This isn't going away guys. Two of the highest profile black pop singers have come out against vaccine mandates and combined they have hundreds of millions of viewers.

 

Oh for **** sakes.

 

Trump supporters need to stay out of the streets. Too many in government and on the Left support shooting unarmed GOP protestors dead on sight.

We need to be voting and filing suits. That's where we will do our battle. So, please say "thanks" "but no thanks" to BLM's invitation.

 

Which has nothing to do with the topic.

 

It's perfectly logical to isolate those who refuse to defend against COVID.

And, I'm not limiting that to vaccination.

 

This is why it's important to get back to the science.

There are Americans of all kinds who are just plain NUTS.

 

Uh... the entire argument is about that we DO KNOW who is not vaxxed yet is in the hospital with covid.
Your idea that we also know it's their own fault of other people in need of help, is not true. It's just guessing.


And basically you get it, that people picked out of free will the choice of not getting vaxxed should just feel the burn of their own choice and not flood the hospitals.