YouTube bans all anti-vaccine content, not just COVID-19-related

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  1. The Ant

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    Of course they are. It simply depends on your value for A (initial population) and the value of k. Now, your value of A is the same as it has been in most countries….ie, a value of 1. The determinant factor is that exponent. Yours has been inordinately high, due largely to poor control measures in the early stages of the infection pattern. And when you did act, it was piecemeal, with some sections of the country doing reasonably well, while others did virtually nothing.
     
  2. Condor060

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    First off, you're trying to solve for K. Its not a value you plug in. And if you're going to solve using population instead of infected then you have another problem.
    USA 330 million with 9.7 million infected (Active cases)
    India 1.3 billion with 275K infected (Active cases)
    Brazil 214 million with 405K infected (Active cases)
    Your equation just showed the US with exponential virus growth somewhere in the 30-40 times higher rate of India. Thats impossible. Viruses don't work like that. They have X number of host to work from and there infection rates are going to be the same give or take for density.
    The only way the numbers would align is if the US was infected years ahead of India.

    Nobody with an ounce of common sense could ever come to the conclusion that 4% of the global population has half the infections with Covid since everyone has it and everyone contracted it at the same time.

    The US shut down their economy, masked up, and locked down like everyone else did so don't even try and go there.

    The US is faking numbers and everyone knows it and the reported numbers speak for themselves. If you chose to ignore them, I don't care.

    If you think you can justify them then you can plug in the numbers and post the results. Show us how you can explain the possibility of 4% of the globe having 50% of all infections.
    Can't wait to see that.
     
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    I actually would like to see that.
     
  4. FreshAir

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    you have never had a post deleted?

    every site, facebook, youtube, even this one... censors some content

    doesn't matter your party, left or right
     
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  5. Kal'Stang

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    Love how people think that censoring is going to stop stupidity.

    Personally I say let them speak. Then do your own speaking and show how wrong they are. Rational people will see the truth and dismiss the stupid.

    Indeed the best way to spread falsehoods is to try and censor them. Doing so makes people suspicious and more likely to believe in stupid.
     
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    agree, I would just ad ban them
     
  7. Kal'Stang

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    Which has the same affect as what I stated in my last paragraph.

    Nah, just treat em the same as everyone else. Treating them differently just gets them noticed more.

    Sides, for YouTube I believe the threshold for enabling ads is around 5-10k viewers per month. Most anti vaxxers don't get that kinda coverage. At least I would imagine. I can't rightfully say that as fact.
     
  8. The Ant

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    Now, I just noticed something that you need to clear up before I continue….

    The last time I discussed these numbers with someone here (you?), the argument was based around total infections. The complaint was something like “how could the US population of just 4% of the world be responsible for approx 20% of all infections…?”

    Now, I notice that the argument has shifted to active cases. Why? Is it because the numbers look sexier? (50% vs 20%) The answer is quite straightforward but I just want to make sure of which barrel of apples or oranges your case is based upon…?
     
  9. FreshAir

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    nope, advertisers do not want to sponsor them, so just let them say their piece without ads
     
  10. Kal'Stang

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    The only time advertisers pretend to care is when they are threatened with boycotts and the like. If it wasn't for that they would want thier advertising to reach every nook and cranny it possibly can as that means more money for them.

    So no, it's the boycotters that care...not the advertisers.
     
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    With his own bare hands. His 2 small hands he crafted the vaccine.
     
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    Youtube can do as it wishes. If it wants to run Trumper propaganda 24/7 it can. If it wants to ban certain topics it can.

    I note none of those unhappy about this are insisting Fox or OAN run anti-Israel propaganda or stump for DNC candidates.

    'Free speech' is about governments impinging, not about private companies picking & choosing what content they put out into the world.

    People currently have more ways to consume and transmit information to and from more people than at any time in human history. Any of us can, in a few minutes, from the comfort of our home, access amounts of knowledge that even our parents could never have imagined. We can also transmit information to potential audiences all over the world in moments.

    If anti-vaxxers want to spread their lies they can do so quickly and effectively. They can also quickly and effectively spend as much time as they want whining to a nice big audience how hard it is for them to have their voices heard.
     
  13. Kal'Stang

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    Horrible comparison. YouTube, when it first started and for years after advertised itself as a platform that was a place for everyone to create content on. Fox and OAN have never opened up as a platform. Indeed they have always been a publisher. Not a platform.

    And yes, Free Speech was always about government interference. But at one point most Americans understood that Free Speech was about more than JUST preventing interference by the government. It was also about disapproving of ANY type of interference of speech. It was about letting people say what they wanted to and if we didn't like what was said we turn around and walk away from it. Ignore it. And while yes there were those that tried to use censorship they were usually fought against and/or ridiculed for it.

    Today....not so much. In fact such is now encouraged by those on the left. Ironic really if you consider Berkley.
     
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    So what?

    Dear me, all you left out there was Mom & apple pie. What a complete and utter rewriting of history, but to be expected. Creating fictional golden ages is foundational to conservatism in all its forms.

    Americans have had their 'free speech' interfered with for centuries by your definition. Newspapers weren't compelled to publish extreme views they did not agree with. Radio & TV were not compelled to broadcast extreme views they disagreed with. The closest you ever got was the 'fairness doctrine', but even that doesn't equate to broadcasters being compelled to broadcast anti-vax lies. And, of course, Republicans killed that anyway.

    Yes, the idea that private businesses whould be allowed to control what content they provide to the public is SO left wing. On the other hand, throwing massive tantrums when you don't get what you want is, once again, foundational to conservatism in all its forms.

    There are more ways for more people to access every idea imaginable tha never before. Anti-vaxers will have no issue producing and distributing their lies in other ways.
     
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    You don’t treat babies and adults the same way.
    Letting the inmates run the asylum is not a smart way to go.
     
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    It can help stop the spread of stupidity.
    Look at how many people trump turned into stupid lemmings with his daily diarrhea of tweets. Without him promoting his big lie and anti-vax demagoguery, the country would be better off today.
     
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    And yet, leftists are the inmates.
     
  18. Kal'Stang

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    And here is where I prove my point. Trump has promoted the vaccine several times. So not sure why you are calling him anti-vax. Just recently he got booed at his own rally for doing that very thing.

    See, you would still believe the lie that he's anti-vax if I had been censored. This is why its important to let people like you speak. So that those of us that know better can show evidence that contradicts lies told.
     
  19. Kal'Stang

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    You should read history more. Here's a starting point. Berkley in '64. Note...that is JUST a starting point. You can do the rest of the learning yourself.
     
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    I've read more US history than you.
     
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    Which goes to explains youtube's actions. At this point, anybody who believes that Washington has more power than the social media titans hasn't been paying attention. The social media titans are authoritarian and are seeking absolute control. They are attempting to turn reality into fiction (boys can have vaginas, only the vaccine can save you but you still aren't safe if other people are unvaccinated, etc...). Never has one group of people had more control of the information seen by the entire globe. They set the narrative for nearly every person in the Western world. Dark times indeed when the people controlling worldwide speech despise free speech.

    Václav Havel noted:
    If the main pillar of the [totalitarian] system is living a lie, then it is not surprising that the fundamental threat to it is living the truth. This is why [the truth] must be suppressed more severely than anything else.

     
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    Considering you do not know how much history I have read how would you know? Oh right...you don't. You're just posturing.

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    I know how much I have read. It is more than you have.

    Anyway, I'm done with this diversion. Youtube can refuse to host any content it wishes and no imaginary golden age of US opinion changes that. I guess you could push for laws to force them. Using the state to make people do what you want is a foundational to conservativsm in all its forms. (note: libertarianism is not 'conservative' and repeatedly claiming it is doesn't make that so either)
     
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    Right now 90% of hospitalizations are the non vaccinated.
     
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    Next paragraph down from the one you quoted "No one in the study who got a new SARS-CoV-2 infection died—which prevented a comparison of death rates but is a clear sign that vaccines still offer a formidable shield against serious disease, even if not as good as natural immunity. Moreover, natural immunity is far from perfect. Although reinfections with SARS-CoV-2 are rare, and often asymptomatic or mild, they can be severe."
     

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