U.S. Should Face up to 'Shameful Past' With Tribal Nations, VP Harris Says

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is she suggesting we actually do or change anything, or just pandering to the shame addicts?
     
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    she is pandering to the shame addicts
     
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    Kamala Harris's family were some of the biggest slave owners in the Caribbean. Isn't she supposed to atone for her past? Or do those "woke" rules only apply to those that don't have the "proper" ideology?
     
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    ^^^^ This 100%
     
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    I agree. But we have not really done that, yet.
     
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    Maybe she should be more concerned with her own shameful past that included sleeping with a married man for political advancement.
     
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    Re:
    Good luck convincing the profit driven folks at the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2) to: ".... get over it and move on."

    If it's not about the money, why, then, is no amount of money enough?


    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
  8. fmw

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    In other words, living in the past is an effective plan. Never be concerned about the the future. He is right. We can't change the past. We should be working toward a better future.
     
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    Speaking of the Holocaust, did you see this story making the rounds, from where else?? The Texiban

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    A school district superintendent in North Texas apologized Thursday night after one of the district's administrators told teachers that if they have books about the Holocaust in their classroom libraries, then they should also include books that have "opposing" views of the Holocaust.

    "Just try to remember the concepts of (Texas House Bill) 3979," Peddy says, referring to the new law, known as HB 3979. "And make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust, that you have one that has opposing, that has other perspectives."

    "How do you oppose the Holocaust?" one teacher could be heard asking.

    "Believe me," Peddy said in a longer recording obtained by NBC. "That's come up."
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/15/us/texas-schools-books-holocaust-state-law/index.html

    Nice.... Opposing views of the Holocaust?? So Mein Kampf and The Art of the Deal now have to be in school libraries??? Not a ton of pro-Holocaust materiel out there, outside of Neo Nazi groups or the GOP (same thing)....
     
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    Shes giving them a platform instead of calling them the morons that they are. Native Americans were brutally scalping, raping and eviscerating each other long before any white people showed up. And they couldn’t even invent the wheel. Not a culture worth spending any more time on than we did back in the 70-80s when I was in elementary school.

    We fought like every culture does. We won due to superior technology and numbers. Game over. What more do they want? Maybe if Native American culture wasn’t so corrupt they would share it, but NOPE. The few horde it and let the others drink on plantations. No different than anyone else.
     
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    We can always count on fatuous, reductionist nonsense, both IRL and here.
     
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    Ok, I thought this was weird so I looked into it a bit more. It seems that Texas House Bill 3979 basically says that if you are going to discuss "current events" in the classroom, you have to discuss them from both points of view which I completely agree. It seems to me that this Peddy guy was trying to make a point of some sort and not necessarily a supporter of the pro-Holocaust idiocy. Some people are just stupid sometimes. Of course there are some people out there that are just stupid. People that think we didn't go to the moon. People that think that the Holocaust never happened and people that think the 9-11 was a government plot. I don't think that this is one of those.
     
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    I tend to agree she's not pro-Holocaust, but FFS, that's a really stupid thing to say... If you can come up with a "point of view" that espouses the positive sides of the Holocaust (city overcrowding? solving food shortages? cost of synagogue maintenance? job growth in the oven construction industry?), I'm all ears...

    There truly are a small handful of topics where there is no legitimate opposite POV.... any that should have a place in a public school anyway...

    This be one...
     
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    Anyone who has gone to school knows the history. Does she think she’s revealing something nobody knew before?

    Geez .... what a dummy.
     
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    I really do not care how we got this land. We are the only nation that allows the conquered to speak louder than the conquerors. The better people won in my opinion. I won’t apologize for it
     
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    Let me know when England makes reparations to Scotland, eh?
     
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    Yes, everyone knows when kids learn history that the lose all ability to think about the future. You got me there! What bull ****.
     
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    I agree.

    They've been coddled with "cradle-to-grave" everything for more than a century and look where it's gotten them.
     
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    Okay, then let's do that. We can start here:

    Can't get much ignorant than that.

    Nothing like a celebrating a guy who never walked on America's shores and who died believing America never existed.

    Might as well have a holiday to Mao tomorrow.

    But, if we're going to claim "Indigenous Peoples' Day" then we need to admit what the DNA evidence proves, and that DNA evidence says there were Europeans, Asians, Africans, and Australasian people here before modern Europeans arrived.

    And, if we give credit, then we should probably give credit to the Australasian people, because, so far, the evidence indicates they were here first.

    The island-hopped from the islands between Indonesia and Australia, making their last stop at Easter Island before setting up shop in what is now northern Chile 35,000 years ago. Since they're island people, they were ill-equipped to deal with the Andes or the Rockies, so they migrated around the northern coast across the Panamanian Isthmus and settled in the Amazonian Basin, where they were dining on giant sloths 25,000 years ago.

    So, much for the idiotic "Land-Bridge" that never existed.

    Columbus enslaved people in the islands, not on America soil.

    And, they were violent. That vast overwhelming majority, meaning way more than 75% were barbaric savages in contrast with Europeans, and even in contrast with the maybe dozen or so tribes that actually were civilized.

    At least a dozen indigenous tribes were wiped off the face of the Earth in genocidal frenzies long before modern Europeans arrived.

    Near Fort Smith, Arkansas, there is a site around 30 acres of land that was originally believed to be a burial site, but is now known to be a huge freaking battlefield where more than 100,000 died. Each acre of land contains 1,000 to 3,000 skeletal remains.

    Every single skeleton shows evidence of blunt force trauma, meaning crushed skulls, vertebrae, ribs, collar bones, arms and legs.

    Those people were the Hopewell. If you're wondering what in the hell the Hopewell were doing in Arkansas, since they came from Ohio, it's because they were driven out of Ohio. And Indiana. And Illinois and driven into Arkansas where they made their last stand against dozens of Plains Indian Tribes.

    The Adena met the same fate, albeit in a different location, and it has been suggested that the motivation for genociding the Hopewell and the Adena was racial. Both groups were way taller than your average Indian and there's some evidence they were physically different, as in not of Asian origin.

    Two tribes were wiped out after modern Europeans arrived, but both tribes were in California, and although the Spanish had migrated there, the Spanish not yet explored those areas and had no contact with any of the tribes involved.

    The point being, you have 537 tribes existing now, but that's only because of European intervention.

    Without European intervention, there'd be less than 100 tribes, because they would have killed each other off.

    In terms of cultural or economic development, if you were the first European to set foot on America now, today, you'd find a Stone Age culture even less advanced than Pacific Island cultures who at least had the benefit of other cultures, even though those cultures were also from other Pacific Islands.

    What was the first official act by any group that settled in America?

    A mutual defense treaty.

    The Wampanoag begged the Pilgrims to enter into a mutual defense pact. If the Narragansett attacked the Wampanoag, which they frequently did, the Pilgrims would come to their aid, and should it be the Narragansett were dumb enough to attack the Pilgrims, the Wampanoag would help defend them.

    That was signed before the Mayflower Compact was written.

    So, yes, the Indians were violent savages.
     
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    I don't oppose the Holocaust, but I do oppose the propaganda and disinformation stemming from it.
     
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    Then why did Columbus write about enslaving peaceful tribes that had helped save his ships?
     
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    You knew the answer before you even finished typing it out.
     
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    That explains the ripping down statues and removing the prominent figures who lived during the civil war.
     
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    Not really. The only people trying to actually erase history here are the right wingers, especially when it comes to the civil war and their fake "Lost Cause" that has already poisoned school textbooks here in the south. No, removing a statue has nothing to do with history being destroyed/not remembered. No one learns their history through statues.
     

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