Never Trumper Jonah Goldberg recommends 3rd Party because Trump

I actually thought his platform was a good one, and it appealed to a wide enough spectrum of people. I think what Trump would have to do would be to transform his personality because his biggest political problem is that many people simply don’t like him.

But that’s not going to happen. I don’t think he could do that. Even if he tried to do that, nobody would believe it. The public knows Trump now. There’s no reinventing himself.

 

But what positions should the GOP adopt to clear it of the scourge of Trumpism?

 

HIs platform, which consisted, for the most part, of old policy positions embraced by DP leaders over the last few decades. That approach will never work again for an anti-establishment candidate.

IMO, a serious reformer will need near unanimous support to win from now on.

 

The system will never let a 3rd party gain traction.
Money is power and the 2 parties know what a good thing they have.

 

The center-right in American politics has historically reinvented itself via new organizations. Thus: Federalists -> Whigs -> Free Soilers -> Republicans -> ?
We shall see.

 

This isn't a mass movement however. It's a small clique of think tankers and writers in the Acela corridor. They are not trying to create a third party to replace the GOP, they want to sabotage it.

 

Once started, there's no telling where an initiative like this will end.

 

Both parties need to be broken up. More parties with different ideas is a good thing. The more parties there are, the more difficult it is for politicians to point out who their "enemy" is effectively. More parties results in a less polarized nation.

 

I think there is a pretty good history of third parties to tell us: no where.

 

Frankly I disagree.

In our system, our "parties" are more like governing coalitions in a parliamentary system. In a parliamentary system, you vote for your party, but you don't know what governing coalition will arise from the multiple parties negotiating to put together a majority. In the US system, you are voting for a coalition, so you know what you're getting.

 

The Republican Party was once a third party. I hope Goldberg et al succeed.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. I see the two party system as the perfect way for politicians to easily keep the country divided. With only 2 parties, it is far simpler to keep the entire country at eachother's throats than it would be with say 5 or 10 parties. With only 2 choices, one side just has to say "there is your enemy", and that encompasses the entirety of the nation that is not your party. It's a perfect scam. With half the country hating the other half, no one is able to unit to deal with the real problem, Washington DC.

 

True. But if only 2 parties, they can easily call the other party the enemy. While behind the curtain, the do all they can to protect that 2 party system.
They have it made in the shade as long as they get the people pointing fingers.

 

And since 1860 what American third party has succeed in winning the Presidency?

Goldberg's goal isn't to have a third party to replace the GOP, but to play spoiler and prevent it from winning otherwise winnable contests.


So I hope Goldberg doesn't succeed.

 

I won't speculate about Goldberg's motive, but I concluded some years ago that the Republican party was ripe for replacement.

 

So why does it seem to be the Democrats opposing all the measures to make sure rigged elections can't happen?

You know, basic stuff, like making sure the person turning in the ballot is actually the person the ballot was supposed to go to.

 

Where is that not the case already?

 

You can't seriously be this ignorant.

I'm done. Not wasting the time.

 

I agree. Both parties are controlled by the same entities. The old Machiavellian principle of “divide and conquer” is at work here. At this point, it has reached an ugly crescendo.

 

I am serious.
Good, it's a waste of time posting to those who believe the big lie about a stolen election.