Where is the mandate?

Firing unvaccinated people will cause chaos.

 

I'm not arguing that punching you in the nose would be legal or even desirable but if I don't get a vaccine I am not required to care if you approve or not. It isn't intended to kill you or your grandmother, the refusal is an attempt to protect my own body and life from what I consider a threat and you have no right to determine what does or does not threaten me.

 

If it is unconstitutional then it's illegal. That is what the document is designed to do, limit what the government can impose on us "for our own good".

 

How is it Unconstitutional?

 

Widespread deaths will cause a lot more chaos than replacing a few people who are willing to risk death to curry favor with a madman

 

So if we live in the same apartment building I have no right to keep you from storing several tons of C4 in your apartment to protect yourself from the Martians?

 

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It assumes that your body belongs to the government.

That's a whole other argument, are there Martians?

 

They're about as likely as vax dangers.

 

How is that being assumed by a compulsory vaccination?

 

The "compulsory" part?

 

Again, I don't see how that assumes your body isn't yours. I am entitled to protection FROM you and your risking a very contagious disease endangers me

 

How widespread do you think it would be?

 

Well the vaccine is real, it has done harm and the only Martians we have ever seen have been from Hollywood

 

You took the shots so even if i give you covid it will be so mild you may not even notice and it can't possibly kill you anymore. Isn't that what you're selling?

 

It might be vaccine resistant but only IF it's from an unvaccinated person. Mutations from a vaccinated person are mutations from a weakened strain.

 

Haven't you been saying that if I have been vaccinated I will only ever get a mild case of Covid and it won't kill me or put me in the hospital?

There is no weakened strain. If you get Covid the results will depend on your own health situation, your personal vaccination status and how your immune system responds. It won't make any difference if you catch it from a vaxer or a never vaxer, Covid is Covid.

 

Who is endangering anybody?

You don't think the vax works?

 

No, you can't make **** up to keep up your false argument.

 

Fake News. Biden's "mandate" is nothing more than a press release, and press releases are not binding.

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Seems it would be possible that a vaccinated employee who caught Covid could have infected a nonvaxer before they were diagnosed.

 

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They are mutations that already survived the vaccine once. They are very likely to survive it a second time, too. Ever here of survival of the fittest. Your vaccinated body is the optimal breeding ground for vaccine resistant strains.

 

Really,? OK then why haven't other viruses mutated past their vaccines. Small pox, whooping Cough, Rubella, Polio Measles, Diptheria... the list goes on.

The key issue with COVID is that it was and is an entirely new virus sub-type not previously encountered in human beings before. This meant there were no pre-existing vaccines designed to deal with it. Normally vaccine development takes years or even decades to progress to the point where a final version is approved for use by the general public. That also means that by the time its released the most effective version possible has been developed. This was not the case with COVID.

In this instance time wasn't a luxury we had and the current generation of vaccines were all rushed into production. The research proved they worked and were safe to administer but there was simply no way to tell exactly how long they would provide protection for before immunity levels began to drop. Now we are getting that data and there are already new vaccines in development designed to be more both effective and provide longer lasting protection - just like all the other routine immunizations children in the developed world have access to.

 

Those previous vaccines were very effective. The COVID ones are not.

And influenza routinely evolves past it vaccine every year.

I hope an effective vaccine will be developed. The current one is not.

 

Yes and my previous post explained why they were less effective in terms of how long they provided protection i.e they are first gen and had to be rushed into development. They have still proven to be highly effective effective at preventing serious illness amongst those who are vaccinated. Where I live something like 90% plus of those hospitalized are unvaccinated, the rest are almost entirely very old, very sick already or only partly vaccinated.

Influenza is the one exception and even there progress is being made. There are two strains of influenza which commonly infect human beings type A and type B. In order to develop a truly universal vaccine that is highly effective scientists have to develop one that works equally well against both sub types. Developing a vaccine that worked well against the one strain (which has been done previously BTW) is pointless because it means the other one will simply take over as the domination infection in human beings. It's taken decades of research to overcome the flexibility of flu viruses which unlike most viruses are well adapted to infecting multiple species. However just this year the first trials of a universal flu vaccine have started. See link below.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...l-trial-universal-influenza-vaccine-candidate