Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

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Why Are You Against SSM

  1. Your Religion Says It's Wrong

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  2. Same Sex Couples Are Incapable of Genuinely Loving Each Other

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  3. Allowing SSM Will Lead to Allowing Beastiality, Polygamy, Incest, etc.

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  4. Other

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    or you can just get married same sex marriage is legal in all fifty states. Why would you need to go through all this to pay lip service to religious people?
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    You just want to make a big deal out of it because you want the culture to condone what you do.[/QUOTE] the culture already condones it if anything the thing the culture doesn't condone are people who condemn it.
    And really the only time they ever encounter those people is when I look for them on the Internet or at the gay pride parades.
     
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    They are in the US.
     
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    Dude, reread the second paragraph, er, sentence (or the third paragraph, er, sentence) in your quoted post. You quoted post clearly says marriages and not unions.:roflol: You fail to distinguish between unions and marriages...

    I think this blurring of unions and marriages was intentionally done to politically put same-sex marriage on an equal footing with traditional marriage while the courts put same-sex marriage legally on an equal footing with traditional marriage...Traditional marriage does not equal same-sex marriage. They are opposites.
     
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  4. Polydectes

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    No they aren't.

    No law can be made respecting the establishment of religion.

    Your call religious or legal it cannot be both.
     
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    So what? We both agree those religious fanatics, those fake conservatives, are dangerous. BTW, Trump proved those folks could be marginalized in the GOP.
     
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    It appears I was believing my own kinda libertarian ideology more than reality...It appears more state religious zealots wanted to ban any type of legal arrangement with same-sex couples.

    Giving same-sex couples all the rights and responsibilities of marriage is a good thing, IMO, but that good thing is, however, no reason to destroy the meaning of marriage in the process.
    Courts decreed same-sex marriage and courts forever rewrote the meaning of marriage (the two are authoritarian, er, one foot in fascism moves).

    There was a more libertarian way to give same-sex couples all the rights and responsibilities of marriage: Unions...I hope you're not one of those who can't distinguish between unions and marriages.
     
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    Yes, you can have both because the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion.
     
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    Well kudos to you for acknowledging that and not doubling down. The issue is once alternative avenues were removed same sex couples had no reason not to peruse just marriage.

    I wouldn’t have had an issue with marriage being a religious concept and removed from legal and contractual rights and all legal unions made of civil unions.

    I would have agreed less with heterosexuals being able to get non-religious marriage and the only group shut out is homosexuals however. My goal is equality. If marriage was a religious construct with zero civil or legal benefits I doubt many would be pushing for this.

    We would probably still have same sex marriage though as churches would likely eventually preform them.
     
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    First you said marriage is inherently religious and now you're backtracking and saying it's now only inherently religious in the US?
     
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    The Virginia constitutional amendment banned enforcement of any such contracts if they sought to "approximate" marriage. Also such contracts have no bearing on over 1100 Federal benefits including inheritance (many bereaved partners had their estates ripped from under them by "family members"), social security, immigration benefits (many bi-national couples spent years apart because the foreign born spouse would not be granted a visa if it was thought they intended to stay which of course they did because their partner was a US person), tax filing etc. The list goes on and on. Or at least it did. That's all over now and no privately agreed contract could have ever fixed that.

    Have you no clue?
     
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    No you can't because it also guarantees freedom of religion I don't have to respect your religious views with regard to legal status and I shouldn't have to.
     
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    Our secular culture at onetime viewed "Marriage" as an institutionalized arrangement that needed to protection for it's children. That is primarily the reason government became involved. Family is the bedrock of our society. Now that the government has endorsed a "perversion" of that intention, family takes a back seat! There you can have a clue.
     
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    That ship sailed decades ago. Now it seems like a temporary arrangement that when you leave you get to take with you cash and prizes.

    To worry about same sex marriage is just far to little far too late.

    My advice to people particularly young men, never get married.
    Government was involved before religion was. And our government the more involved they became the worse it was
    that's only if you are so limited to believe families can only exist in one formula.

    I know a lot more step children that had happy families than that didn't.

    Anywhere outside of Cinderella step children and step parents are family.
     
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    Same sex couples don't need marriage to have all the rights and responsibilities of marriage...A same-sex union will suffice. Many same-sex advocates incorrectly advocate for same-sex marriage as if same-sex marriage was the only way to give same-sex couples all the rights and responsibilities of marriage.

    Creating a separate but equal entity for same-sex couples like unions would suffice and be less authoritarian than same-sex marriage...Same-sex marriage and traditional marriage are separate but equal entities anyway.
     
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    US law only applies to happenings in the US.:roll:
     
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    The first amendment demands that you accept both.

    BTW, getting rid of the first amendment is an appalling thought.
     
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    So you don't actually agree with real Civil Unions, you're just advocating for meaningless, toothless contracts just so you can prove that, on some level, you were right?
     
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    well I openly and legally defied it by marrying someone at the same sex.

    So by your estimation I have broken constitutional law and I am doing so flagrantly everyday since 2015
    I absolutely agree the first amendment is what gives me the right to defy your religion and have what you would consider a blasphemous marriage marriage publicly and openly.

    I like the First Amendment I like the second amendment too that's for a different thread.
     
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    I will have to disagree.

    As long as “marriage” is a civil contract in the US there is no reason for it to not be applied equally to same and opposite sex couples. The only reasons are religious in nature and those cannot and should not be codified into law.

    I don’t see how you believe same sex marriage is authoritarian, what personal freedoms do you believe it violates? Seeing that some churches condone and preform religious same sex rituals how would you stop them?

    Now if you want to make marriage a religious only institution and make civil unions the legal union that is one thing but two separate systems that are similar without very good reasoning isn’t acceptable.
     
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    So what is stopping the government from saying all Christian marriages should be annulled due to it violating another religion? They are instead going to replace it with ‘false god unions’ that are similar to their religious marriage but simply separate.

    Is that ok?
     
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    You should really look up why the government got involved in marriage. It has nothing to do with marriage but instead sought to stop the “wrong people” from being able to wed.

    The parallels are ironic, people like you probably said the marriages the government was seeking to prevent were also a perversion.

    Y’all just make up everything as you go don’t you?
    Same tired argument — your kind failed then and you have failed now.
     
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    Your whole post is a strawman argument.
     
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    I have to disagree. The courts didn't need to destroy the meaning of marriage to give same-sex couples all the rights and responsibilities of marriage. The states didn't need to usurp marriage by including marriage in its laws, either.

    Let the states and the courts fix their messes.
     
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    The pertinent thought is: Is marriage the only way to give couples all the rights and responsibilities of marriage?...No.
     
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    You want to shack up with someone with whom you stick your penis in the wrong place, fine.. that's between y'all and God, BUT it is not marriage, and I will never even acknowledge that there is such a thing as "same sex marriage" because that is absolutely ludicrous. I have had plenty of acquaintances that are obviously gay, but they didn't push it in your face or demand that you accept the institution of homosexuality ( and it's now multitudinous spin offs)
    I find it telling that it's gone from "what two adults do in the bedroom is noone's business" to " you must accept out perversions and we will be in your faces with it at every opportunity"
    I feel that the gay agenda is to recruit every one they can into homosexuality that is especially easier the young and impressionable (hey, once you smoked your first sausage.. what the hey? just another way to achieve friction)
    I read about ancient societies (and modern Islamic societies) where homosexuality was common (esp with little boys) and somewhat acceptable, but it is not the sexual relationship God intended. I'll stick with God, because if you are not with God, then you are against him. I well know that some, a tiny percentage in fact, are just "born that way" to which I say I was born heterosexual.. and I sinned greatly, and came to realize that that my libertine ways caused great emotional destruction, even if my partners claimed to be totally okay with "casual sex" .
    With the wisdom of years I will preach that sex, between a man and a woman, should be under the auspices of marriage.. it makes for a good marriage, a good relationship and a good environment to raise mentally healthy children
     
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