To The Older Americans At This Forum

Oh, ****.

Big facepalm.

I hang my head in shame.

For about 2 seconds.

 

How do we stop the gray hair part? I can’t pluck them fast enough!!!

 

To be fair that is most Republicans unfortunately

I am glad that you have the social safety programs implemented to catch you when you needed it most — even if you don’t believe those programs should be there for others.

That means they are working as intended. Hopefully you can get everything straightened out! Best of luck

 

Interesting thread.
I wonder if the OP would have a different take on things now that a decade has passed.

 

It could be put up for discussion on weather the forefathers were liberal or conservative. James Madison knew very well the difficult task of getting the Constitution approved as there were many points of view that different interests wanted. One must try and remember the colonies were not free people but subjects of the king and ruled at his whim. It was only a handful of men who had privledge and were granted large estates of land to be managed . The kings militias could live in any home they deemed suitable. They also could beat or execute anyone for infractions of the kings orders. The colonists freedom was at the whim of the kings command.

There were many of our forefathers who wanted to establish pretty much based on the Monarchy. Some wanted the Federal government to be the sole power and others wanted individual states to have their own power. In order to get the Constitution they needed nine of the thirteen states . Some concessions had to be granted so we wound up with a Republic form of government over a democracy. When they talked about Welfare they were not talking about healthcare and welfare checks. The welfare they were talking about was a armed militia against a common enemy and defense of any individual state by anouther state or country. The greatest concern was the ability of the individual to own land and sovereign rights.

Slavery and indentured servitude was common all over the world and not just in the colonies. The American Indians had a form of slavery before others ever arrived here. The Spanish, Africans, French who also occupied different sections of the Americas had slavery and indentured servitude. So everyone of us at one time or another can trace back our heritage to a time we were related to an ancestor who was a subject of a ruler. The only difference is the African- American was the last to get their freedom. All blacks were not slaves in America. There also were black slave holders. We waste so much time on trying to relive the past and try and create a senerio were we get reparations and revenge for something we wern't even a part of. My great grandmother was put to death in the Nazi concentration camps. So should I take revenge or demand reparations on the German people for something that had nothing to do with me? An eye for an eye?

 

Not to nitpick but the Revolutionary War was OVER and the Colonies were now States at the time that the Constitution was approved.

https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/articles/teaching-content/creating-us-constitution-time-line/

 

One thing for sure.....we remember the beginnings of Global Warming and Man made Climate Change. We remember deadlines given for this earth and the rising tides destroying cities all over the world in the 70's and 80's. It is understood by many just to be a political ploy. It is old old scare noise. We re deaf to it. We understand the drive for centralized power and globalization. It's been in the works by an elite for a long long time!

 

I graduated High School in 72. Even then I recognized most college campuses as "Indoctrination Centers" for leftist ideology., Didn't have time or desire for that so I learned a trade. But I do know those leftists of the 70's and eighties went on to get a firm grasp of our education system as well as media while others worked to build this Nation. It is a problem the youth in America must face and decide. This is why I think Mark Levin;s book "American Marxism" is a must read for every future voter. Apparently it has picked up steam. Number 1 best seller for months!

 

Your time line is right. My point was that the people at that time may have very much cared about their own freedom but wern't nessasarly that concerned about others freedom. If they were the Constitution would never have been radified. I guess it is just the nature of things. Even today some of us fight for our believes while others sit on their hands and have no interest in what is going on as long as it doesn't effect them.

 

It's a very good book. Have a dictionary handy. He is a very talented writer.

 

Understood, not everyone appreciates that unless you stand for something you will be walked over by those who will take advantage of your inaction.

 

"Democracy," is not a form of government. It is a device, a tool, a principle, upon which to build a government. A pure "Democracy," government would entail all people, voting on all decisions (and following majority sentiment); in the world, there are now exactly zero of those, and never have there been any. Instead, we have a REPRESENTATIONAL government, a Constitutional Republic, in which the people democratically elect people, to represent them. Do you see the difference?

As an aside, on paper, Russia has essentially the same style of government as we do.

 

Then how does their "President" stay in power so long?......if it is truly REPRESENTATIONAL!

 

I said, "ON PAPER," the Russian government was a democratic republic; clearly, that is a sham. Let us hope that those who now are preparing to be able to throw out the votes of their states' populations, to send instead electors to install their own chosen candidate to the presidency, do not succeed in turning our own republic into a sham, on our way to becoming an authoritarian state.

 

Putin has been doing it by moving back and forth from being president to being prime-minister. Both posts exist in today's Russia.

 

Interesting. Hitler did away with a lot of positions and just became in charge of things himself. A President in the U.S. can only hold one office as defined by the Constitution. No we are not the same as Russia.

 

I am 69 and have never seen things so bad. There were libs who disliked Nixon and Reagan and all their supporters, sure, but they never, ever said the things you hear now, about wanting then dead, about them being fascists or idiots, or terminating friendships. SNL was sorta friendly, during the Bush administrations. "These are just jokes," Dana Carvey said, and he was sincere.

There were conservatives who would never chant "lock him up" referring to Clinton, Gore or Obama at a Republican rally.

It's very bad. Like eve of Revolution bad.We may see an improvement in two generations. But in the near term, "red versus blue" colors everything. I myself have lost two friendships. I could reestablish them, but only at the expense of never discussing politics again.

And what's really killing me is that, from the mid 60s to around 2000, normal people didn't even talk about politics except during election season. Now it's all day every day. And what's also ridiculous is that majorities in both parties don't even disagree on really fundamental things. There's some talk of amending the constitution on both sides, but very little.

Why? Did the media get us into this place? I think the answer is yes. And this place is just giving both sides a platform to denigrate the other. "Stupid, idiot, moron, fascist and communist." We can't call each other those things directly per the rules, but if you say it about Trump, Obama, and now Biden, the point is made.

For the record, I did not vote for Biden, and I find him unequal to the job now, but I disapprove of this vulgar chant going up against him in sports stadiums.

Do we want to get along or don't we?

 

That vulgar chant says more about those doing the chanting than it does about Biden.

Biden is a mediocre POTUS along the same lines as Bush sr and Carter which is why I suspect that even if he was going to run again he would end up like them as having a single term.

I do not see the Dems making the mistake of running him again but the Dems have this uncanny knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory so they might be dumb enough to pick him as their 2024 candidate.

 

Since when did the left become concerned about vulgarity? The right generally does not like vulgarity, that's why we cleaned up our act! Let's go Branden!

 

I didn't say the left was concerned about vulgarity. And I'm not a leftist.

And "Let's go Branden" is not the vulgar "F Joe Biden" phrase I deplore.

I really don't know what you are trying to say.

 

Take it at face value,

 

I'm creeping up on seventy. Yes, we/America will make it. Just stay close to your conscience, do the right thing, be a good person as you are able, work, sacrifice, believe and so forth. It will all work out in the end.

 

We rebuilt Geemany and Japan.

Think China will rebuild us?

 

You are right but my point is : many today and many of your wanted a Democracy. Too hell with minority rights, right?

 

How did Obama manage to get elected and then re-elected if minorities have no rights?