Was Trump our worst president?

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  1. Marine1

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    If you think openly dividing the country and openly asserting he should be installed as dictator is a great president — we will just have to disagree.

    I am not going to try and explain what nepotism is to you again. It isn’t using your last name to gain advantage in other industries
     
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    I have never not admitted the wrongs of the left — that you seek to continually distract from what we are discussing shows your lack of a valid point.

    Obamacare — modeled after conservative programs as Democrats foolishly believed Republicans would do what is best for the nation — was skimped along and is a shell of what it should have been, a complete national healthcare program that replaced all other government medical programs and was available for all citizens. Instead we have this quasi-government private industry program that doesn’t work.
     
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    Well, for once I agree with you, we do need a national health program. Just don't know if people are willing to pay for it
     
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    If we can bring our normal medical costs more in line with the rest of the world the average American wouldn’t even see an increase once deductibles, co-insurance, and premiums go away.
    Eliminating duplicative government programs and streamlining administrative costs even more so.
     
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    He never asked or said that. He wanted a chance to hold things up to prove fraud was committed. He was convinced he won and wanted a chance to prove it. Nowhere did he say, or insinuate he wanted to be a dictator.

    I know what nepotism means and it is the most widely practiced thing going at any company or government. Sure Trump brought in some of his family and gave them a job and they earned their money. You want to condemn that and look over people who use their name or position to get jobs they don't have to even work at to be paid. Just what do you think is worse? Seems you have a weird outlook on what is right and wrong. At least I admitted Trump was wrong trying to hold up installing Biden as President. I understand why he did it and don't agree with it. But he didn't do what you are accuse him of doing.
     
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    I firmly believe if we had a national healthcare system, we could better compete with nations who have it, yet pay their employees considerably less. Health care is one of the most expensive benefit an employer can give. Take that burden off the employer and he could pay more and give better benefits and compete with nations abroad, because transporting goods from abroad is also very expensive and the cost keeps climbing. Plus employers who make their product here have a better chance of quickly changing production to go along with a changing economy. But again are people willing to pay for it? Are they willing to give up the health care they have now, for a government controlled one? It's been pointed out our wait times to see doctors and get the care we need is much shorter under the system we have now to theirs. Wait time to see doctors or have an operation can stretch into months under a government paid system. That turns many people off.
     
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    Quite frankly my dear they all have sucked...
     
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    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1308902276187262978?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1308902276187262978|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/donald-trump-get-rid-of-ballots-wont-leave-white-house
    President Trump: "Get rid of the ballots and we'll have a very peaceful — there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation."
     
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    Lets be honest here cd8ed, bringing in millions of illegals and migrants does nothing but stretch out the wait times for health care even longer. Unlike the Democrats say, they aren't America's strength, they are the Democratic's strength in more Democratic voters. They hurt America.
     
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    I see what your saying and it does sound like he is saying don't worry about counting ballots, just keep me in office and everything will be fine. But it's just another one of his many stupid ways of explaining himself. He always felt elections are fixed through the ballot system and we need to change it. I have said many times and you can read it on this thread, Trump a lot of times talks like a forth grader, trying to get things across to others. I have pointed out many of the faults Trump has over the years. I have tried hard to be honest in my opinion of him. Pointing out the good and bad.
     
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    first off, I completely 100% agree that our border needs to be secured an illegal immigration quelled. Most of the data metrics I have seen have shown illegal immigrants are highly religious and would not universally vote for Democrats if allowed.

    Republicans waste money to “combat“ illegal immigration, while doing nothing to implement programs or solutions that would actually deter them. Democrats of course do nothing.

    If you want to end illegal immigration we need to address both the pull and the push factors.
    Republicans seem to only want to address some of the pull factors whereas Democrats don’t want to address any of it
     
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    I voted today in a Democratic party poll and they refused to show me the results of the poll.
    The question was would I vote for Biden.
     
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    Trump came up with the simple solution to handle it.
    Construct the wall with all of the security elements Trump included.
    Democrats want them here or they would do something to stop them.
    Illegals come here saying they came due to the Biden invitation.
     
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    Democrats care about sounding presidential. They can lie all day long but so long as the lie sounds presidential, they are okay with those.
    1. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
    2. If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it.
     
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    If you believe constructing a barrier to separate the United States and Mexico over 2K miles is simple without any plans to address what causes them to come here or why they are fleeing their homes… you might be a trump supporter.
     
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    I am a Trump supporter. Even if there was only one major reason to support Trump, his protection system of our border, I would vote for him since Biden announced ahead of the election there was no way he would defend our border.
     
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    If we can build a nuclear aircraft carrier from scratch, we can finish the one thing vastly slowing down illegal aliens from flooding this country or plainly the wall with the complete defense system it contains.
     
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    Well that completely went over your head
    Building a wall along parts of the border is not a ‘system’
     
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    Give me the number you approve for a visit to the doctor for problems?
    Even Medicare comes with co pays and also refuses to pay the full charge by doctors. Naturally when workers (including doctors) get shorted in their pay, they lack the interest they have when paid in full.
     
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    Funny but they are not flooding into America through the Trump wall, they flood this country where walls do not exist.
    Nothing any poster claims goes over my head.
     
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    I would appreciate your knocking off your smear campaign. Thank you.

    I did not say to build walls along parts of the border, I said to complete the Trump wall and the system. And of course the wall with the defenses it has is a good system.
     
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    A wall is not going to stop someone that has walked for days across the desert
    It can be part of a multi pronged solution but ones put forth have been ineffectual
     
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    we lock up criminals with no concern as to their motives.
    Take the kid that gunned down the children at the Parkland, FL school. The Judge did not sound to me like she had a worry about his reasons. And she set a trial date as to the issue of him being executed.
     

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