Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

I don't think he is an enthusiast

Why don't you just delete the word 'accident' from your vocabulary.

 

Except for the gun enthusiast whose only job was to make sure that all guns are safely operated and she failed fatally

 

Yeah, there's only a woman shot dead by a hyperliberal movie 'star'... what could possibly be of any interest to them?

Move along... move along. Your movie star is now in a quaint little libby town in Vermont, no doubt trying to, uh, get it all behind him. And the other libs in Santa Fe County, New Mexico will surely be happy to help....

Prediction: Baldwin will never see the inside of a prison cell for killing this woman....

 

You don't get to ignore the safety rules and call it an accident when something bad happens.

Negligent Homicide.

 

The responsibility lies with the one who pulled the trigger.

 

Who told the Assistant Director if anyone the gun was cold and was it his job to be involved with handing out gun props?

 

Well your prediction is rather obvious. Of course he's never going to see the inside of a jail cell, but as executive producer, he's likely to be civilly liable, but from what little information we've been given on this case, not criminally liable. Baldwin the producer and Baldwin the actor are two different legal entities in this case.

But the discussion in this thread has gone to multiple levels of stupidity trying to both fault and defend Baldwin.

 

In a situation where all guns are know to be real the sure. But this was a movie set and prop guns are thought of as just that, prop guns. This creates a very surreal and dangerous situation where accidents are waiting to happen. Baldwin may not be liked by many conservatives but he is no murderer and never intended to hurt anyone. He will live with this nightmare for the rest of his life.

 

There are 'rules', 'recommendations', and 'laws'. Only laws are enforceable. A director at a movie set SHOULD enforce the rules, because he has authority there since it is a private event. In this case 'rules' were not followed even though they had hired people to do just that and an accident happened.

Whatever you say. I'll just wait and see what happens.

 

A drunk driver likely does not intend to kill anyone either.

 

When it comes to guns, the law recognizes these sorts of things as negligence, not an accident. At the very least, Baldwin will be tried as involuntary manslaughter. He was the producer in charge of everything that goes on at the scene of the "shooting" of the movie. The young lady in charge of weapons was incompetent but because she is hot, Baldwin kept her around. She didn't check the gun properly and neither did the guy who gave him the gun and told him it was good to shoot only looking at three of the gun's chambers. And, Baldwin should have looked at the chambers for live bullets. No, he's toast! If he wasn't such a stupid liberal against the NRA, he would have had a NRA person on site doing that job. No excuses. His own hatred towards those who could have prevented this caused this. Someone is dead.

 

In Hollywood, actually, the conservatives will tell you that they daren't speak their minds lest they lose employment opportunities, so yes, they can be victimized for stating their opinion. It's disappointing that you are okay with that.

James Woods, Kelsey Grammar and Chuck Norris don't cry about it (that's a liberal forte), but if you deny this reality, then you need to read something other than the Huffington Post, just now and then.

 

Anyone can lose their jobs for speaking their minds, but if you are Republican you'll play the victim card and say it was only because you are Republican. Such attitude makes them look weak and whiny, and that was not always the case. They have changed, - A LOT.

 

So you've never heard a Democrat crying about victimhood? Surprising.

 

Yes, I have. Some still do it. They screw up, and get called out, and then they pretend its because they are black etc and not because of that they did.

The same behavior is now very common among mainstream / populist Republicans.

It makes them look weak and whiny, an as I stated, it has not always been the case. In the past they were the first to call such behavior weak. Seems ironic now given the fact that they have become masters of whinery.

 

You've devolved into making gratuitous insults and generalizations. Boring.

 

He's killed someone through his negligence.

 

Based on the facts at hand, at most I could see him meriting a manslaughter charge - I believe there have been similar cases where individuals were charged with manslaughter, so if the facts at hand are similar and he gets off Scott-free because he's "famous", that won't look good.

 

Where did you read that the armourer is not a member of the NRA?

 

Cases where someone thought they were firing a prop gun on a movie set? Or did they know the gun was real?

 

An actor using what was a prop gun. The jury will need to prove he knew the "prop gun" was carrying live ammunition when he pulled the trigger. If this was not a movie set and not a prop gun then the situation would be much different.

 

Well, Mike, we might at least agree on one thing -- when you mash all the bullshit and finger-pointing out of this tragedy, one fact (FACT) remains: Alec Baldwin killed Halyna Hutchins! Thus, we might also agree that anyone who would blithely deny even that has achieved the apex point of all the "stupidity" involved in this entire conjecture...right...?

 

There was no criminal intent, so jail time is unlikely, but the civil lawsuit is a possibility. At this time the victims family is not faulting Baldwin, but that can change and he might have to settle with them.

 

Except that Baldwin is not a gun enthusiast hence why a gun enthusiast was hired to make sure everyone was safe. If I employ a qualified car mechanic for my business and he installs breaks that then fail and the car crashes who is responsible? The mechanic, the business or me?

And it gets even more complicated if the car mechanic is a contractor ie not directly employed by my business. Was the armorer on the film pay books or her company?

 

Ignorance never excuses personal responsibility when handling firearms.