Vaccine's protection against infection may wane in just months

You are wrong.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

 

I challenge you to tell me what that post had to do with science.

I am not a dude. We didn't use what we didn't need.

If authoritarianism and freedom are juvenile excuses then I feel sorry for you. I was vaccinated by choice, not because someone told me to.

Masks might make sense if we actually used effective masks. Instead we praise people for wearing bandanas and designer masks. You know better than that.

Obviously to you. Several virologists have said the the virus appears to be engineered.

I would demand that the Wuhan lab be closed. I would back the demand with serious economic consequences.

Authoritarianism is not best for the USA. PERIOD. If the public agreed with your level of fear, it would have adopted every mitigation step available. Many people have. It hasn't made any difference.

At last we agree. However we yet to conquer any of the other corona viruses We have tried to conquer flu for decades with no result. Perhaps we have tamed it a little and we are likely to tame covid a little as well. We shall see.

 

No he is right.

In this case he is wrong. Vaccines do not prevent infection. None of them ever do. They stimulate development of antiibodies as a head start against a future infection.

 

I can't make heads or tails of this post. Would you mind elaborating / rephrasing for me?

 

Old data. Before delta. Before we knew efficacy decreased substantially against infection by month 3 after vaccination.

CDC data is almost always 6 months out of date. In this case almost a year. That data you linked to is December 2020 data. If you want good solid evidence based on science the CDC isn’t a good source.

 

I agree with everything in this post. My post was just also agreeing with the poster that said the vaccine pushers have moved the goalposts significantly on what the vaccine was supposed to do over the course of the year. At first, vaccination was supposed to prevent 95% of infections (as noted on the CDC page that I cited). That hasn't panned out like they hoped, so now they've moved the goalposts to "well, you can still get infected, but it'll prevent serious cases / hospitalizations", but now that doesn't appear to be panning out either (e.g. Collin Powell).

 

Transmission of a virus occurs outside the body. The presence of antibodies in the immune system stimulated by a vaccine have nothing to do with the transmission. The antibodies go to war with the virus only after it has been transmitted. How much virus arrives is an issue, how long the antibodies have been present is an issue. The health of the immune system is also a factor as well as the overall health of the individual.

What does affect things is how effective the antibodies are at dealing with the infection. In the best case, the antibodies can deal with the virus before any symptoms can occur. In that case the person may be unaware that there was an infection. That is the asymptomatic disease you hear about. But there was an infection and the immune system overwhelmed it quickly. That is not to be confused with the idea that the vaccine prevents the infection. It doesn't. Based on various factors the disease can be symptomatic and, as you know, can lead to death.

The reason vaccinated people have less severe symptoms is that the immune system has a head start in developing those antibodies so the body is better armed for the arrival of the infection. None of this is new or specific to covid. It is the nature of the immune system.

 

Cool. Yes it isn’t turning out like we had hoped. Which is fine, I just wish there was more honesty about it all. I fear people who think they are protected are at more risk than they realize personally and are more of a transmission risk than they realize as well.

 

This, absolutely.

 

It's not a vaccine in the traditional sense of what we are used to. But, it does stop people from getting the disease. It also helps to prevent sever cases as well. And, both Moderna and Phizer both did clinical trials on tens of thousands of people. Where do you think they came up with the 85 - 95 percent success against preventing the disease from? So, when I quote the breakthrough percentage as 20% in our county on a 14 day count, that's still pretty darn close. I'll go with that as it's much better than the flu vaccine success rate.

 

Why not! Maybe we can cure cancer, heart disease, MS, MD, ALS, Homosexuality...

 

Actually it can’t stop the vaccinated from contracting Covid. It cannot start working until one is infected through the respiratory system. It may help with keeping them from getting sicker but the vaccinated that die of Covid are generally over 60. Case in point, Jen Psaki who is vaccinated and had the booster contracted Covid and has mild symptoms but she is of the age where the outcome might be the same without being vaccinated.

 

Hope for mankind

 

I just got the booster as well. And, yes it does prevent from contracting the disease by producing the antibodies that fight it off, just like the flu vaccines. Does the same thing basically, just a bit different way. And, just like the flu vaccine, doesn't stop the infection all the time. But, as I was saying before, our county's 14 day infection rate of vaccinated people is 20%. I'd say that's better than the flu. What still needs to happen is coming up with a way to kill the pneumonia that grows on the outside of the lungs. Seems like there should be a way to stop that.

 

Not to go too off topic but there's a lot of us here who might prefer to go asexual, with our experiences with our past two ex-wives...

 

Other countries like Israel that keep better records than we do shows about 50/50 infection rates, no 20%.

 

You could afford TWO?

 

Maybe this could also cure mental illness then

 

What vaccine are they using for this? Johnson and Johnson said about 57%.

 

Pfizer.

 

Wev'e know that the protection from these vaccines wanes after a few months, and they are not very effective against the variants. So WHY IN THE HELL ARE THEY BEING MANDATED???

So the vax you are forced to take today, or lose your job, will be ineffective in nine months or less. how can they mandate something like that?

It's doubly messed up when the US Congress and their staff are exempt, and hundreds of thousands of the employees working for big pharma, who produce the vax, are exempt. Illegal aliens and the millions upon millions of foreign college students are exempt. The only ones being treated like cattle are all of us average law abiding American citizens.

This virus will never go away. Ten years from now we will be seeing new variants of COVID. It's clear as crystal to anyone paying attention. Biden and the dems want to force us all to take the vaccine now, so they can then force us to take a never ending stream of booster shots

 

We are living under a tyranny

 

Maybe I can help you understand why Congress, Pharma workers, illegals and college students are exempt. You have to be working, if you don't have a job and an employer there is no way to pressure you. Average law abiding Americans work.

 

Sex Workers are largely exempt from the mandate as are pimps, panhandlers and the homeless.

Red States Sue Biden Admin Mere Hours After Vaccine Mandate Issued. “Ohio’s suit calls the mandate ‘an unlawful executive order’ and reminds the court that ‘our system does not permit agencies to act unlawfully even in the pursuit of desirable ends.'”

Many are pro-vaxx, anti-mandate.