Things which could exist in a world without atheism

since when and since how do you think truth and hysteresis apply to one another, I told you the razor has limited application, it does not grant you a free pass for unaccountability.

Thats the point you first and foremost have to qualify that it 'is' valid, and that applies for every local piece of criteria used in the argument, before you can use it globally.

 

Truth is a binary thing, True versus False.

But the reality isn't binary so we need a mechanism of rounding binaries to our analog world.

 

Geebus none of that has anything to do with hysteresis.
everything can be reduced to binary

 

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Um, x-tians commit far more rapes, murders, child molestation, terrorism and other violence than Atheists do.

Atheists didn't slaughter 42,000 men, women and children in a French city in a single day, but x-tians did and they did it because the 42,000 x-tians living in that French city weren't x-tian enough.

 

Does religion affect crime rate?
In general, available empirical evidence suggests an inverse relationship between religion and crime. According to over 40 years of empirical research summarizing the relationship between religion and crime, findings indicate that religion decreases propensities for criminal behavior (Adamczyk et al.Jun 18, 2018

Religion and Crime Studies: Assessing What Has Been Learned

 

Guess what. People can have a moral code without a belief in an invisible man who lives in the sky. For example. My moral code says slavery is wrong. Whereas the Bible promotes slavery.

Was it an atheist said said "kill them all - God will know his own?"

Was it an atheist who said "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass?"

 

Every horror you've listed exists under theism and has been excused by theism, and with theistic justification. It is easy to excuse any and all atrocities if you start from the idea that morality is dictated by God.

 

Out of interest, do you believe agnostics have a moral code?

 

bravo! Of course we know its not the man in the sky that identifies 'religion'. The most obvious; beliefs like a moral code for one example identify an established 'religion'. Atheist belief structure is grounded in the natural as science is alleged to be based in falsifiable 'facts'. A belief may or may not be a fact, most are not. Science does not establish a value system, that is the purpose of religion. Religion on the other hand can suggest science dogma but it cant be used to establish it. Water and oil.

 

are you serious?
Damn straight!
I'm agnostic and I have a moral code,
starting with thou 'shalt not murder me',
which carries the following moral obligation,
'I shalt not murder you'.

 

Exactly. If you equate morality to obedience to power, God being the ultimate power, then absolutely anything is moral so long as you are ordered to do it. That includes killing your own kids, slavery, rape, flying planes into skyscrapers, mass suicides, genocide, etc.

 

I think everyone has a moral code. In the case of atheists and agnostics it just isn't handed down from on high or from religious texts or institutions, and is instead developed by themselves, influenced heavily by upbringing societal environment.

 

So, where are these atrocities taking place? Wouldn't they be in the front page news? A national security threat? I haven't seen any news headlines about that, have you? Maybe everyday atheists aren't like Stalin after all? And, maybe they aren't evil?

 

Is it possible that all the murder and genocide was a result of being corrupted by power? Is it possible that the totalitarian nature of regimes lead by Stalin et al encouraged their murderous acts? Is it possible that Christians who wish to outlaw atheism are committing the same crime of intolerance in their heart?

 

It's not intolerance it's confusion. Some Christians genuinely believe that atheists are committing all the evil in the world, and they imagine this stuff in their heads despite no real-world examples of their atheist neighbors committing any serious crimes at disproportionate rates to the general population.

 

If you see it as the no true Scotsman fallacy then you can understand where the confusion comes from.

 

No, man is a religion-made invention, not the other way around.

 

Simple explanation - everything in the universe just always existed as it is. No physics, biology, fossil record, natural history, or anything else needed.

(Since this is simpler, this is much more likely to be true than all of those over-complicated physical and scientific theories).

 

reely?
how can you have a religion without first having and exercising a belief?

 

The concept which distinguishes mankind from mere matter is religion-made. So of course without religion, the superior concept of mankind wouldn't exist or be distinguishable from any other arrangement of material particles.

 

Religion doesn't make one any less or more prone to committing crimes. Atheism doesn't either.

 

Nice theory. It implies that time doesn't exist, or at least isn't necessary. Time might be an illusion that our brain constructs based on our memory.

 

Depends on the religion.

 

Really? Do you think atheists can't distinguish men from Mentos?

Also, you never answered the obvious question stemming from the OP. If you didn't believe in God, would you be out there raping and murdering?

 

This means that the whole universe is religion-made.

Nothing really exists except a singular mind that dreams forever. This dream is our reality. Who's the dreamer? Is it God?