Should teachers be allowed to say "Slavery was bad and it should not happen again"?

do you feel like a victim? if not, you were a stronger kid then some

just like teaching German kids that the Germans did these atrocities to Jews, and them feeling guilty as if it was their fault

both Children then may not want to associate with the other

it really depends on the teacher and the child

I think jr high is more appropriate to teach atrocities like this

 

Bad is a moral statement... you realize that right?

 

Yes, and teaching morality in school is perfectly proper as long as it is done with care and without preaching. It is perfectly proper for a teacher to teach students why it is good to stay in school, study hard, respect teachers and authority, not to steal, and, yes, abhor slavery, etc.

 

So you’re saying we should teach from an ammoral position... which means the position is ammoral... which is a moral claim.

 

Well first I think what the right claims is CRT and what CRT actually is are two very different things. Second, I am not sure that teaching what CRT really is to at least young children is constructive learning on either the white or the minority side of the coin. Children need to possess critical reasoning skills before they ever delve that deep into critical theory and CRT is deep into the critical theory end of the pool. In other words, sure CRT in high school government class. CRT in second grade reading class, not so much.

 

I'm far removed from childhood but everyone is victimized by human rights atrocities, especially those directly affected. Does learning about it breed hatred and racism? Yes if it isn't properly taught. It certainly does not mean children should be kept ignorant about it until they reach some arbitrary age. War is a human rights atrocity. Children are taught about war well before junior high school. Do you really believe teaching about war should be delayed until junior high school? Do you think children will not learn about war and other human rights atrocities on their own? And if you believe they will wouldn't it be better if they received such an education from a responsible adult rather than not?

 

Please be specific where is it banned to teach slavery was bad and we should never institute it again. Who told you slavery can ONLY be taught under CRT? Where did you get the idea slavery was NEVER taught as historically accurate UNTIL CRT?

What were YOU taught about slavery and where and when did you attend school? Was it banned then?

 

Where is teaching slavery was bad and we should never instituted it again NOT being taught and be specific. Where is the banning of CRT also requiring teaching slavery was good and we should institute it again and be specific.

 

You lost me.

 

Therein of course lies the rub. I was referring to broad based common morality. Trouble occurs when the morality being taught is as much a personal agenda (preaching if you will) as a wide-spread moral position. How does this get handled? As I said very carefully.

 

The first two? Yes. That is not CRT. Full stop.

 

In truth, the people today haven't become perfect except in their own minds. The fact that the moral transgressions of today are different than those of 200 years ago does not excuse them either- and very likely in the future, when this is history- the transgressions of today will become a great evil to be condemned by the future generations of people doing what they think they have to do and is therefore acceptable.

If you study the history of Thomas Jefferson, you find conflicts. he was against slavery, acted successfully to abolish the international slave trade, tried to find ways to end slavery in America, but was unsuccessful.
Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, mostly inherited from his father and his father in law. At that time in history, most farming operations couldn't work any other way- and if you tired, you would be competing with slave labor and would not survive. People live in their time, with their conditions- just as we are now. This is like walking in another persons shoes; you are not really qualified to condemn a situation you have only a distant and partial view of.

Why is it a threat to ignore part of history. If we ignored the fact Hitler killed 6 million jews, and the fact he invaded all of Europe, Russia, and intended to become world dictator- he was just a powerful orator. he was just a powerful orator that motivated people. Not smart to know half a person, half a story, half a truth- and doing so will lead to making foolish and often dangerous decisions. That's why.

CRT is a political tool, and ideological manipulating concept based on selected truths- to the exception of the whole truth. It's not intended to teach history, it's intended to teach bias, prejudice and racism- targeted political purpose. The perspective of this is not as directional as people may think; it is wrongful regardless of who it targets. Anti-white or anti-black or anti-asian.... ALL racist positions. ALL harmful.

"They did it too... "
That's doesn't make it better- it makes it the same, and includes them in the responsibility they wish to assign to others alone.
They didn't just do it, they invented black slave trading. That created the economic necessity of slave farm labor as well, in order to survive- and thereby the expansion of their business.

If influence were not for sale in Washington, there would be no buyers. There are buyers because it's necessary to protect your self from being disadvantaged by others who will buy it.
If slaves were not for sale from Africa- there would have been no slaves. There were buyers of slaves for the same reasons. Competing with slave labor requires slave labor.
Both of those things create a market for themselves because they tilt the balance of economic survival.

What would happen if influence were not for sale? What would have happened if slaves were not for sale?
I'm certainly not defending slavery- on the contrary, I'm saying understand the big picture so that we don't allow ourselves to baited into immoral conducts in the future.

As I said before- half a truth is usually a lie. It's still truth, but the perception such things create is not truth, thus a lie is the product of leaving out the parts of truth you choose to ignore.
The question one should ask is- Who is benefiting from doing that?

 

No dummy, we can talk about that in the right setting. Just not something a bunch of five year olds are ready to absorb

 

but they should not be punished or fired for doing so

 

like I said, it really depends on the teacher and the child

an older child is better able to handle it

like scary movies, older kids are better able to handle them

 

were talking about the right proposing laws to ban CRT, and look at the responses, one poster already said he want this banned with crt

the point is, we have to be careful on laws banning CRT, that they do not ban existing history lessons

would you support any CRT ban that did not allow teachers to say "Slavery was bad and it should not happen again"?

 

How does banning CRT require slavery to be taught as a good thing and we should have it again? You want a solution for a problem that does not exist. No one I have heard who opposed the new CRT false history wants to ban the teaching that has been going on for decades which teaches slaver was bad and it should not happen again. Who are you talking about that is proposing that and PLEASE BE SPECIFIC. We YOU taught that in school?

 

Why teach children who are innocent the concept that being white is bad but being black is wonderful?
Remember Black is beautiful campaigns?

 

Apparently you have no idea that you simply refused to answer his questions.

 

That's not an argument against CRT, that's an argument against the lesson plan. You see that right?

A couple of posters on this thread. And really you're nailing the point I'm making on this thread. They're not, nor ever were. But what I'm saying is people can use the language of CRT to ban talk about slavery and racism=bad. So how do people who support banning CRT make sure we can still have teachers say things like racism=bad, slavery=bad?

You're saying certain claims can be said in school. "Slavery happened" for example. While a true statement there is a built in assumption to that claim- that it's okay to say to students. That built in claim is a moral statement.

Yup. That's the point.

 

I do. That's part of anti-racism education. It's proving that you can be comfortable in your skin if society says they expect certain things about you and your skin color. And I remember the music video my nephew had to watch when they were doing those campaigns. It was explicitly multi-racial.

 

Absolutely not. Republicans would be proud that we beat the party of slavery and freed their slaves. Of course, lifelong racist LBJ, waged a different war on blacks, an economic war when he broke up black families as a condition of welfare payments from Uncle Sugar. Thanks to LBJ and Democrats who followed him, we have more kids brought up in single parent homes than any other country in the world. That should be taught after teaching how the US has freed more people from poverty than any other country in history.

 

Then the teacher is thick because slavery continues to this day.