Should teachers be allowed to say "Slavery was bad and it should not happen again"?

Bingo!

 

agree, but I have no issues with them saying slavery was bad

 

fairy tales have often been a part of kindergarten, story time, recess, ect....

 

I heard very different things in my education in the south. I was told it was a necessary evil, and I had teachers constantly try to downplay (dishonestly) its historical importance in our country.

 

But never with a view to social engineering.

 

Well CRT is a fairy tale so I guess in that sense, that's true. But this one is harmful.

 

And some schools are more religious. Who cares? So long as the schools were not teaching you to actively hate based off of race then it's not the same as crt.

 

Good point! Thanks for putting it into perspective

 

The Civil War was us vs us and it's taught before junior high school, at least it was back in my day.

How do you "tame down" war? Wars are usually a bloodbath where over 90% of the casualties are innocent civilians.

Not when I attended religious school as a child. I was taught the Old Testament in all its gory details. The god depicted in the Old Testament wiped out nearly all life on Earth during the great flood (Noah) and almost all humans because they "sinned" at the tower of Babel, not to mention turning humans into pillars of salt at Sodom and Gomorrah and made a terrible mess during the Egyptian plagues, killing first born children. That was pretty nasty and as a child, pretty scary stuff to learn about. There was nothing "tamed down" about all that.

You haven't answered my question though. You believe "horrible stuff" (i.e. slavery and perhaps the Holocaust) should not be taught before junior high school and I asked you twice if you also believe war should not be taught before junior high school. I still haven't gotten a direct answer from you.

 

I think, as a rule teachers shouldn't be in the business of moralizing. They can lead discussions into the morality of past events, but to actually say that one thing is bad or not shouldn't be done, as a lesson plan.

 

On paper I agree. Reality though is that teachers inevitably inject their version of morality whatever they teach, either via select words, body language or both, even when they are not doing it deliberately. As a human being it's extremely difficult to teach something objectively.

 

This is true, no matter what a teacher can do all these things, but yeah, Ideally they don't.

 

no one is teaching CRT to kindergartners

 

"The Civil War was us vs us and it's taught before junior high school, at least it was back in my day."

yes, but there are no more Confederates in the USA, we are all Americans

 

And yet multiple examples.of inappropriate race based bullshit have been exposed.

 

Really?



You still refuse to answer my question. Why is that?

 

CRT isn't about teaching students that slavery is bad. It's about teaching students that slavery still exists because "white people" culture is ingrained and holds black and brown people down preventing their success. It teaches hopelessness for those who are black and demonizes whites as overseers. It teaches white kids that they are innately racist and that black kids are victims from birth. So....what could go wrong with that being taught wide spread?

 

Teachers shouldn't be allowed to teach that reparations are not only necessary but at hand with CRT, for example.

 

Off the top of my head, I can think of 5 things more insidious in leading to the failure of blacks to being successful in America than racism:
(1) voting for the Democratic Party approx. 95 percent of the time
(2) black leaders and influencers (the dem party)
(3) the prevention of independent thought in the black community
(4) blacks not getting enough education
(5) blacks not eating right and not exercising

EDIT: For example, blacks thought it was their right to riot and be insurrectionists in the Floyd riots 'cause others like you told them that it was always whites' faults for blacks' misfortunes.

 

I think the main problem is hatred, resentment and a refusal to take part in the American dream. Wrongs were done for sure....but forgiveness that takes the dark bitterness out of the picture is key to overall black success. Perhaps our schools should teach that?

 

That black bitterness you describe is, IMO, fueled by public schools, the dem party, black leaders and the black community as a whole, for examples.

 

I agree. The worst thing that could happen for the left is to have minorities take part in the American opportunity. They'd lose so much power over others.

 

You have to distinguish between the American left and American progressives (or the way far out in left field left).

 

Should teachers be allowed to say "Slavery was bad and it should not happen again"?

Of course. It is a lesson from history. But the kerfuffle about schools isn't about history, it is about political ideology. There are two sides defending different things. Nothing gets settled that way.

 

agree, but it's not CRT

some are trying to use 'CRT' to defend their race based bullshit, on both sides