Is this Human?

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Is this human

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't give the ZEF the right to do anything it pleases....

    With RIGHTS come restrictions, we ALL have to adhere to them..

    ALL people are unique but we don't have the right to do anything we want to others...
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still parroting this demonstrably false nonsense trope that "life begins at conception" .. is Biology 101 .... and you have been shown this is false numerous time.. yet continue on the same parade .. yet unable to understand basic biological concepts .. nor able to support your claim --never mind refuting the main Scientific perspectives .. which you do not know existed until I showed you.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    I am the only one who has cited the science over and over and over.
     
  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What does that have to do with what I said and again what was untruthful about what I said?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No you havn't .. you keep repeating that same trope over and over .. and post citations from rabid pro- life sites "Princeton EDU" - but nothing you post has supported your claim by giving "WHY" a zygote is a living human .. nor has it addressed the conflicting perspectives..

    Science is not naked claims mate .. it must give The Why'' .. otherwise is just appeal to authority logical fallacy OHH LOOK .. I found a textbook and it says a zygote is the first stage in a human life .. WHO CARES .. that is not an explanation of WHY - a zygote is a human life .. .. needs a "Because" statement .. and nothign you give provides that ... and in fact .. most of the stuff does not even say a zygote is a human .. but you post it anyway ... as if you havn't read the citations you post.

    Such nonsense is not science confirming your claim.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Princeton University and the actual textbooks. You have offered nothing in rebuttal. I quote the SCIENTIFIC perspective not the politically expedient one. I have along with my cites explained the why in scientific terms, you have presented nothing in rebuttal nor has anyone else.
     
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    Rebutted everything .. post one citation from that goofy site that has not been rebutted .. one citation that gives the why...

    And do you understand what the number One is .. ? ..
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Citing the several TEACHING text, where have you posted science that refutes it? Give me a message number.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have cited many times over the years ... not one which has not been refuted... Post a citation from Biology explaining why a zygote is a person.. put up or ... ONE .. just one ..
     
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    So why not apply the SAME logic to abortion and support those measures which reliably reduce conception
     
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    No it is NOT “biology 101”. Because the timeline reversal does not apply. Working back from the a fully formed person or thing then yes conception is the start but it does not apply forwards. A tree might start with a seed but a seed remains a seed unless it finds the right conditions to grow
     
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    Yes that IS biology 101. It's not about reversal it's about going forward from the moment of that creation. Humans don't go through a "seed" stage of life, at conception that life begins it doesn't hibernate until water is supplied to start the process it starts on it's own. As long as it is provided sustenance and protection from the environment it will continue through it's various stages of life until death.
     
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    You mean birth control? I support a women taking measures so she does not become fertile. Why do you assume I don't support those measures which reliably reduce conception?
     
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    Why only women? Do not men have a role in pregnancy?
     
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    No it is not and you just declaring it is so does not make it so. Even you are conceding that a seed needs sustenance. The same is true of the fertilised egg. Without implantation it will not survive. 50% of fertilised eggs never implant and therefore never develop
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    That doesn't give the ZEF the right to do anything it pleases....

    With RIGHTS come restrictions, we ALL have to adhere to them..

    ALL people are unique but we don't have the right to do anything we want to others...



    OMG, you can't figure it out?!


    Have you READ it?

    You seem to think a ZEF has all the rights of a born person (from conception) with NONE of the restrictions...MORE rights than anyone else!!
     
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    I said nothing about rights although would remind you that according to ourbfounding documents we are created with the right to life.

    You refuse to respond to what is asked of you because you know what I stated was truthful. This can go no further since you refuse to follow the science.
     
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    It's not me declaring so it is the science. Can that process be artificially halted by freezing yes. Doesn't change the science. Yes nature takes it normal course doesn't it.
     
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    The question was about women, it would he wonderful if there was a male contraceptive too. Where did you get the idea I oppose BC or the being anti-abortion means anti-contraception?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Even if that were true...SO WHAT? That doesn't give the ZEF the right to do anything it pleases....

    With RIGHTS come restrictions, we ALL have to adhere to them..


    ALL people are unique but we don't have the right to do anything we want to others...

    :) :) Just can't face it...:) :) :)


    I never said you did!!! I brought up rights!! Don't you READ anything??!!!~


    Yes, BORN people have the right to life..




    YOU refuse to respond to a scenario involving you being correct....how odd....;) ;)

    This can go further with you continuing to NOT face what would happen IF a ZEF is deemed a person with rights which YOU say it has......
     
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    You refuse to respond to what is asked of you because you know what I stated was truthful. This can go no further since you refuse to follow the science
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Even if that were true...SO WHAT? That doesn't give the ZEF the right to do anything it pleases....

    With RIGHTS come restrictions, we ALL have to adhere to them..

    ALL people are unique but we don't have the right to do anything we want to others...

    :) :) Just can't face it...:) :) :)




    I never said you did!!! I brought up rights!! Don't you READ anything??!!!~




    Yes, BORN people have the right to life..





    YOU refuse to respond to a scenario involving you being correct....how odd....;) ;)

    This can go further with you continuing to NOT face what would happen IF a ZEF is deemed a person with rights which YOU say it has......


    :) Duck and dodge....yes, you can go onto further ducking and dodging...

    YOU refuse to respond to a scenario involving you being correct....how odd....;) ;)

    This can go further with you continuing to NOT face what would happen IF a ZEF is deemed a person with rights which YOU say it has......
     
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    And until

    You refuse to respond to what is asked of you because you know what I stated was truthful. This can go no further since you refuse to follow the science.
     
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    Who is doing that? That sounds very hyperbolic. Where are you getting that?
     
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    That has nothing to do with biology. Your implication is that at conception, a fetus has a human soul, is that right? And frozen embryos are human beings, with souls? Is that what you're saying?

    FYI, most fertilized eggs do not "take" in the womb and are simply expelled from a woman's body. If it doesn't become a fetus, was it still a human life?
     
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