Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age


    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60


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    As more information becomes available we find more inconvenient truths. Of course these things must be denied or suppressed.
     
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    If it was vaccine related, you would see the same spike everywhere, not just in one country.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unless it’s dismissed or suppressed.
     
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    I get your point but this really shouldn’t be a surprise. When 80%+ of the population in England is vaccinated it only makes mathematical sense that the majority of people that die will be vaccinated
     
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    Your source didn't check the underlying dataset in much detail since they completely missed (or chose to ignore) this note;
    After all, if this difference was caused by vaccines, why wouldn't it also affect the older age-groups, who have higher vaccination rates, will have on average been vaccinated for longer and would be more vulnerable dying from vaccine side-effects?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You missed the point, it’s not total but per 100,000.
     
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    Still out of that 100,000 statistically 88,000 or 88% is vaccinated. So odds are that most people who die will have taken the vaccine.
     
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    You still don’t get it.
     
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    I guess not. Lol. I’m not trying to argue against your point. I’m just saying that there is obviously a larger pool of vaccinated than unvaccinated so the death rate will definitely reflect that balance
     
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    Vaccinated per 100,000 vaccinated. Unvaccinated per 100,000 unvaccinated.
     
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    I got what your saying. My bad. That is interesting then.
     
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    And in general terms, what the data shows in England was essentially predicted by Luc Montagnier and all the rest of the dissenting virologists and immunologists.

    Scamdemic. The shots are the bioweapon, and they are working as designed.
     
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    Not necessarily a bio weapon. Just a really rushed treatment that doesn’t work as predicted. Some in science believe this kind of genetic manipulation needs 20 more years of study.
     
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    Very apparently a bioweapon. The shots are the current version of eugenics as advanced by the big ones, Gates, Schwab and so many more.
     
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    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...hildren-covid-5000-children-will-die-vaccine/


    So, to put it simply, the Biden administration plan would kill 5,248 children via Pfizer mRNA shots in order to save 45 children from dying of coronavirus.


    For every one child saved by the shot, another 117 would be killed by the shot.


    The Pfizer mRNA shot fails any honest risk-benefit analysis in children ages 5 to 11.
     
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    And when you consider the broad effects amongst the young child-bearing women who've taken the shot, the future looks pretty bleak for humanity.
     
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    Yep, it's a bioweapon, and WHO and CDC are just fine with that, allowing its continued use. Eugenicists strongly populate the medical industrial complex.
     
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    The different death rates are attributable to different demographics.

    Most older people fall into the vaccinated group. Thus higher rates are to be expected for this group, because older people are more likely to die.

    The ONS, where the statistics came from, explains this in a footnote, which HonestJoe included in post #5 above.
     
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    Excellent rationalization of unpleasant facts!
     
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    At this point, we need full transparency from the CDC and nothing less is acceptable. Full data, graphs, everything. Not in 2066, right freaking now. Because if you're gonna be screwed heart-wise either way, why take the shot then?
     
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    Which "rationalization" are you referring to?
     
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    Again (since I was entirely ignored first time because it's not the answer you wanted);

    The source data includes the following note;
     
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    But the same table, along with another graphic in the report, show that deaths occurred at a far higher rate among unvaccinated people.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...19-death-rate-england-much-higher-among-unva/
     
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    I think his point is solid and it's one I've wrestled with myself. When a highly vaccinated group has a lot of COVID deaths, a significant number has to be from the vaccinated, there simply are not enough unvaccinated to fuel the surge, and, this is what we did not expect to happen, because the vaccine was supposed to be 95% effective against catching COVID, then when that failed, against hospitalization and death, but, now that claim is failing as well.

    So, what to make of this:

    Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age. And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it’s correct, based on weekly data from the British government.

    “I have checked the underlying dataset myself and this graph is correct. Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal.”

    “I wonder if the unvaccinated population has been checked for prior COVID exposure. It may be that most surviving over-60s in England have been infected with COVID and many had mild or no symptoms, and had acquired immunity without knowing it.”

    That's a good thought. The unvaxxed, uninfected would have neither protection, and this could still be consistent with either type of immunity being better than neither.

    This might be incorrectly framed: There are 68 million people in the UK at 88% vaccination rate that's 60 million vaxxed and 8,000,000 unvaxed. If this unvaxxed 12% is producing 33% of the deaths, that would mean that being unvaxxed is 3 times more deadly than vaxxed.

    I think that's likely the correct way to view this.
     
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