Moscow -US Testing Ability To Drop Nukes On Russia

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This really should concern not just the Russians, but everyone in Eastern Europe - and they should take note, because they're the ones that are being endangered. I don't know what's wrong with this administration but every time there's a talk, the situation worsens. It worsened now with the talks between Xi and Biden and it worsened in the talks between Nuland and Putin.

    This reminds me of Trump when he was negotiating nicely with N. Korea and he stupidly sent the neo con Democrat Bolton there to finish up - which he did by saying the one thing Kim feared the most, and that was the set-up Washington had with Ghadafy..

    According to Shoigu, “over the past month, around 30 missions have been flown near the borders of the Russian federation, around two and a half times more than in the same time period last year.”

    Shoigu added that recent American exercises, codenamed Global Thunder, saw “ten strategic bombers practicing their ability to use nuclear weapons against Russia at almost the same time from the west and the east. The minimum distance from our border was 20km.”

    https://www.rt.com/russia/541089-us-testing-ability-nuclear-attack-moscow/
     
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    Maybe they should be calculating the results of all those ballistic missiles coming in from the Russian "boomer" submarine fleet....apparently there are "neo cold warriors" in the government and military that think a nuclear exchange can be "won" by either party involved. This situation is ripe for a miscalculation. :nod:
     
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    I don’t know how much to trust this news site, but this is troubling if true. The last thing we need right now is confrontation with Russia and China aligned against us.
     
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    There's nothing new here. The Russians do the same thing to test our response time. I lived just outside Langley AFB once and fighere constantly being scrambled as "BEARS" got close to our border. Nothing new here at all. Both sides do it and have for years.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never found anything in RT and Sputnik over the years, that ran contrary to other internet and non MSM foreign sites which I consider trustworthy. If I did, I would stop reading them the way I did the BBC and the MSM.

    Anyway, I think the bullying tactic has to do with Ukraine. Kiev managed with its lobbying to stop the gas flowing in North Stream as a means to pressure Moscow to continue its gas flow through Ukraine.

    I don't think Putin will come to any agreement with Kiev unless it fulfills its obligations under the agreement Poroshenko signed in Minsk - and rightfully so, because what Kiev wants would endanger the lives of the people in Donetsk and Lugansk.

    Germany and France were guarantors of the agreement, and now Putin finds that they have been duplicitous - saying one thing to Kiev and another to Moscow.
    The pressure on Russia is not going to work, if Washington thinks otherwise, they're only fooling themselves. So what in the damn world are we doing?

    In the meantime, Blinken comes out with the usual lie to deceive the American people. He said that Russia's movement of troops within its own border is to invade Ukraine the way it did in 2014. Yet Russia never invaded Ukraine. Kiev says Russia did, to cover up their own humiliating defeats.

    When General Breedlove said that there were Russian troops in Ukraine, his sanity was questioned by the German Intelligence agents according to the German Spiegel, since no one else could see the troops and tanks that Breedlove was seeing.
     
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    There is a pattern. This type of nonsense shows up in Russian and pro-Russian fake news when the Democrats are in charge. It's all part of how they ratchet up tensions among Americans and try to make us nervous about Russia as a potential military opponent. It reached a fever pitch in 2015 and 2016 when Trump was campaigning to "get along with" Russia.

    As for RT, I wouldn't even use it to wipe my ass.
     
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    Man, Vlad is getting mighty desperate since Trump was ousted.
     
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    I'm sure they're doing more than that. No arms development by a foreign power is going to be left unanswered.
     
  9. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's getting worse and worse though - that's what the problem is. Now we're sending military advisors and heavy arms to Ukraine - not to mention the British troops, when it's a red line to Moscow. In the meantime we're provoking China as well.
     
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    We've had troops in Ukraine for a long time. We sent JAVELIN anti-tank systems to Ukraine in 2019 and a whole bunch of our Soldiers to train them how to use them, We also sent a BCT (Brigade Combat Team), a fully functional combat unit of about 3,300 Soldiers. At the same time, we sent similar forces to be permanently stationed in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and the Baltic States. (It was an interesting exercise deploying them. It was much like an old fashioned REFORGER, but as the troops advanced, the ones to be deployed dropped off.) Even the Israelis took part in this "Operation Anakonda". Poland wanted the most. They gave us $2 Billion to build facilities to accommodate our troops. You'll notice that as these troops were deployed, our forces in Germany were reduced from two whole Corps to a lot less than one. Again, nothing new here.
     
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    It's theater. Chillax.

    Here, put this on:
     
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    This was expected. Sooner or later, it was expected.
    Because the world economy is about to die.
    Never in the history of mankind have world crises of this level passed peacefully. This state of the economy always ends in a big war.
    It must be admitted that in past world wars, the United States was geographically in a privileged position. Today, nuclear missiles have leveled everyone.
    Let's think about what would happen if the US + NATO (although we all understand that NATO is a ridiculous fake organization) launches a preemptive nuclear strike:
    1. across Russia. Obviously, a certain number of missiles will be reflected, but most of them will reach the target.
    At the same time, on the approach of American missiles, the Russians will retaliate against the United States ... and if the planet earth does not explode (which is quite possible), then the world will turn into a nuclear hell for many years.
    2. across China. Most of the missiles are likely to hit their target. China does not have as many missiles as Russia, but it does have enough to cause serious damage to the United States. In addition, virtually all of the actual production is located in China. At the same time, after a retaliatory strike, the United States is unlikely to be able to recover quickly ...
    In this scenario, when both China and the United States are destroyed to one degree or another, it is obvious that one superpower will remain - Russia.
    Naturally, the crazy strategists at the Pentagon understand this. Therefore, in my opinion, it is obvious. that Russia will be drawn into the conflict. But which side Russia will take is a question.
     
  13. Durandal

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    Doooooooooooooooooooooom...............
     
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    MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) has protected us from nuclear war for 70 years. Nothing has changed. Russia won't risk Moscow and China won't risk Peking. Its been that way for 70 years and nothing has changed. What HAS changed is that other folks have gotten nukes. Like Iran. And Iran is ruled by a bunch of religious fanatics who don't care about LIVING... they care about getting into PARADISE. This life is just an entranceway to PARADISE. That's why radicals can strap bombs to their kids. If they kill an infidel they have the keys to PARADISE. So they aren't killing their kids, they are sending them to PARADISE.
    THAT is what has changed the 70 year old dynamic.
     
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    We are developing a new generation of stealth cruise missiles for our bombers to fire into Russia and China as well:

    https://www.afnwc.af.mil/News/Artic...s-contract-for-new-long-range-missile-system/

    Since they rely on upgraded versions of the same nuclear warheads that we use in our ALCMs, we'll be able to easily arm 1750 of these missiles, as that is the number of nuclear warheads that we built for our ALCMs.

    There's really no need for manned US bombers to ever have to come closer than 20km to Russia and China. We can end them from afar.
     
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    Meh. Russian and Chinese subs are easily sunk. By the time the nukes start flying there won't be any left.
     
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    MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) has prevented nuclear war for 70 years. Nothing has changed.
     
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    You surely don't think our attack subs will sit around waiting for enemy subs to nuke us?

    By the time the nukes start flying, there will only be US and allied submarines left in the oceans.
     
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    MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) has precluded nuclear war for 70 years. It still does. They don't shoot... we don't shoot.
     
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    We'll see.
     
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    I'm not at all troubled.

    The Obama Administration developed a nifty little tactical nuke for fighting in Europe. They have a small clean yield and an accuracy so precise that our NATO allies can use them at low yields to land direct hits on Russian military targets while causing hardly any collateral damage. They are the ultimate "usable" nuke.

    https://fas.org/blogs/security/2013/09/b61-12holland/
    https://fas.org/blogs/security/2013/10/b61-12hearing/
    https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/01/b61capability/
    https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/02/b61-12pictures/
    https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/03/b61-12integration/
    https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/04/b61-12features/
    https://fas.org/blogs/security/2015/11/b61-12_cartwright/
    https://fas.org/blogs/security/2016/01/b61-12_earth-penetration/

    If Russia wants a fight with the EU, NATO will be ready to nuke them.
     
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    Russia and China don't bother me. They won't risk Moscow and Peking. But Iran scares me silly. They want to go to PARADISE. They WELCOME death. MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) means NOTHING to radical islamists.
     
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    If Iran wants to die, we have the nukes to kill them. A single B52 can fire 20 nuclear-armed cruise missiles into Iran in one pass.
     
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    You don't get it. Iran DOESN'T CARE. This life is simply an ENTRANCEWAY to PARADISE. Death MEANS NOTHING. That's why they can strap bombs on their kids. They aren't KILLING THEM... they are SAVING THEM... sending them to PARADISE. Killing an infidel gets you in. THIS LIFE MEANS NOTHING.
     
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    They can think what they want when they are alive, but once the Air Force kills them they won't be doing anything at all to us.
     

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