All 3 men guilty of murder in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery

Not saying one way or the other whether the actions were justified but at least in the state of Florida trespassing on a construction site as a felony and I would imagine it may be the same in many other states

 

To much speculation in this thread, speculation is usually thrown out in court. You can speculate a normal person would not run in high tops, could you also not speculate he was wearing high tops because that was his only option?

 

In FL, it has to have a sign indicating trespassing is a felony outside the construction site.

 

Seems like THAT'S his whole argument, a man must just stand meekly while 3 armed goobers who obviously AREN'T law enforcement try to detain him and has no idea what they have planned, just MAYBE Arbery thought he was going to die anyway and went for it. Hope this sends a message to any other Deputy Dawg wannabes, this ain't the Wild West and you ain't Marshal Dillon.

 

There certainly was.

 

What, you think it's a 'count' per SHOT?

 

i really don't know. perhaps a georgian can explain it ro us.

 

Within the last year a good friend of mine was shot in the back as he opened his motorcycle repair shop, and then proceeded to pour gasoline on the body and light it off.

Luckily the whole thing was recorded on video surveillance, and the shooter was arrested within 10 days. The shooter was a former police officer.

The guilty verdict in Georgia delivered justice, and that's a good thing.

 

In Georgia, trespassing isn't a crime unless you've been trespassed. Someone has to tell you to leave/that you aren't allowed on the property. I'm assuming that's why the 911 operator asked what the guy had done wrong even after hearing he was at the construction site.

 

Not a Georgian, but I am a criminal defense trial lawyer:

The various counts of the indictment each correspond to a different theory of criminal liability: 1) straight up murder with malice, 2) felony murder via aggravated assault with a shotgun, 3) via agg assault with a motor vehicle, 4) murder via false imprisonment, and 5) murder via attempted false imprisonment.

The reason they charged different theories is that they wanted to offer the jury alternative several routes to conviction, and the reason they did that is that the jury, or any one member of the jury, might have gotten hung up on any one element of any of the counts. For example, if they thought that they tried to falsely imprison him but didn't quite do so, they could hang their hats on attempted false imprisonment.

Only one of the 5 charges (the first) carries a potential death penalty. They aren't seeking the death penalty in this case, I don't think, but wanted to reserve their right to do so based on the defendants' criminal histories, their post arrest conduct, and the wishes of the victim' family.

 

The number of shots fired has nothing to do with anything.

As for "felony trespass," it looks like a misdemeanor in Georgia:

https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-16-crimes-and-offenses/ga-code-sect-16-7-21.html

It's a felony under some circumstances in Florida, like if you set foot on Mar a Lago without Trump's permission or invitation. Automatic death penalty with no right to appeal.

Kidding.

 

I'm pretty sure they have no trespassing signs there as well.

If it's prominently posted you are already subject to being arrested for trespass.

The law should spell out how it should be posted in a conspicuous manner.

 

I'm sure such a sign would count, but I don't know of one being on this property. There's also the fact that they didn't know he had been there that day, which I'm pretty sure would have been required for a citizens arrest to be legal.

 

Exactly. He had a lot more reason to fear for his life than the shooter ever did.

 

There are definitely a lot of similarities.

 

You don't know what was running through his head at the time, not only that he was being followed by a truck with a man standing in the back of the truck for a distance when the truck suddenly stops and men climb out with guns......, what would YOU think if that happened like that to you?

Those three men doesn't have a self defense case because they CREATED the confrontation in the first place that Arbery was running down the street at the time when the truck closed in on him.

Arbery was MURDERED plain and simple.

 

Notice how he wants to speculate about the victim's frame of mind but wants to shut down any discussion of the murderers' states of mind.

 

McMichael testified that he POINTED his gun at him, this after they had already spent around 5 minutes harassing him on the road also told the police they "trapped him like a rat" Bradley said he tried to dive him off the road several times in his statements to the police.

Man who shot Arbery testifies: ‘He had my gun. He struck me’

LINK

 

What about Arberryr's right to self defense???

These three chaps created the situation by taking the law into their own hands. Wild west mindset. And a young jogger is now dead.

Nothing can bring back this young man and what might have been hiss future.

 

He wasn’t a jogger. Both the prosecution and defense agreed to that. It does show the power of a lying media.

 

That wasn't the right thing to say. Besides that doesn't make sense. What would make you say something like that? Arbery didn't deserve to die the way he did. Doing malice murder is wrong. The convicted,Travis and Gregory McMichael, and William Roddie Bryan were responsible for this and they will go to prison for the rest of their lives and that's the bottom line. period.

 

Those three will spend the rest of their lives in prison.

 

The next time this happens, the people involved likely will not be open and upfront with police, and will just hide the body.

That's what putting all three of them in prison for life will do.

 

I don't understand. Travis and Gregory McMichael were both charged with four counts of felony murder, and two counts of aggravated assault. Then confusingly, Travis was charged with one count of false imprisonment, and one count of criminal attempt to commit a felony, but Gregory was charged with two counts of those same charges. Then William Bryan was charged with only three counts of felony murder and only one count of all of the others!

 

and that is to be condoned?? That speaks to where the society is still at. The lack of civility cooled by racism is astounding.