The American Empire Is Coming To An End

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  1. Pants

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    Sadly, I see much the same coming from the Right. Fear and loathing about anything different than they know. Just look at all the threads dedicated to transgender and LGBTQ issues. And any leg up given to the African American community results in complaints about how many Black people are on commercials 'nowadays'.

    The world is changing - this country is changing. We can't live in the 50s anymore. I don't express hatred for the right or for those things with which I disagree. It would just be nice to have a civil conversation about them.
     
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    No, not trolling. The founders did fear the "masses"; they were wrong. The type of study I was referring to is best illustrated by the simple guessing of how many ... jelly beans ... for instance are in a jar. Individuals will vary, some wildly high and some wildly low, BUT!, when summed together and averaged a large group, like ALL Americans, will come very close to the correct number. There are many such studies and they all get similar results.
     
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    Black people have far more of a voice than white people, they have militias dedicated just to helping black peoples and killing and assaulting anyone who disagrees and they go completely uncondemned by anyone who isn’t right wing. They are given tons of affirmative action both from the govt and private businesses as well as schools. The media bias benefits even black criminals over white kids defending themselves...or in the case of nick sandmann, just standing still smiling while white. The anger directed at giving them even more extra privileges to the black community is justified. The left simply calls everyone racist who takes issue with it.

    When our nation falls, it will be because of the division created by the race baiting left. We can now watch the same video and see very different things, because the lefts division.

    there is no civil discussion to be had as long as dems demonize everyone who disagrees.
     
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    Ever since WWII, the US, either by greed, or for its economic interests, has mostly supported the wrong side whenever people were trying to gain independance or even merely freedom of speech.

    The "communism" phobia (i.e. fear) has been an important factor in that policy. Still today, anyone who doesn't support unrestrained greed of capitalim is called a commie.
     
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    Your post is a perfect example of demonization.
     
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    We spend less than 7% of gdp on the military the former Soviet Union spent, according to most intelligence analysts more than three times that. China is spending as much or more And poisoning half the country into the bargain. And it looks like it's coming apart at the seams. Our only
    Yep everything the left does either drives jobs over seas, makes American labor less competitive on the world stage or acts to destroy small business.
     
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    My dog Spike, I welded it from rebar and I engraved a steel plate with his epitaph. Also had it powder coated. It will probably outlast me.
     
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    Well, given that United States has been at war for about 225 of the 243 years since its inception in 1776, so now will you admit it?
     
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    Chris Hedges on....

    Why I am a Socialist

    Lol...
     
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    It’s the truth
     
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    Heh!

     
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    No, simply stating facts; no statuettes involved.
     
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    Not correct. Korea and the first gulf war were mostly to free people of other countries. So was the 2nd gulf war although as a side benefit, Grenada and Panama (if they can be called a war) were in the vicinity. Only Viet Nam and Libya (if that was a war) satisfies your criteria. I admit the red scare played an important part in some thinking, but then there was much to be scared about.
     
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    Seems to me you are waxing romantic fantasies about America. Like a songwriter might do.
     
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    That's funny, I was going to make the precise same charge for the right.

    Unfortunately for you, I have hard evidence.

    Your evidence is wishy washy.
     
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    Admit what? That we have fought wars in our history? (I get your point, but technically saying the "United States has been at war for 225 years" is a misstatement.) I never said we haven't fought wars. I only stated that America is the most tolerant, free, supportive, advanced, economically advanced, and benevolent country in the history of the world.
     
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    The founders were arguing against 'direct' democracy.

    They were not arguing against representative democracy.

    They were not arguing against liberal democracy.

    Each of the above has a different meaning of the word 'democracy'.

    So, when you say the founders were arguing against 'democracy' you'd be incorrect if you assume democracy has only one meaning.

    It sure as hell doesn't.

    The specious game the right is playing is that they are saying that, because the founders argued against democracy, we can get the president in office by undemocratic means because the founders said it was okay --because, well, they were arguing against democracy, right?

    Wrong.

    If you believe that, you are butchering history.

    The founders very much supported democracy.

    What kind of democracy?

    Liberal democracy.

    What is liberal democracy?

    That is a place where the rule of law prevails, as opposed to the rule of men, (a monarchy, for example), a place with a bill of rights, where freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, etc, prevail, a place where one man has one vote. (today the suffrage has been expanded, of course).

    As for the mechanics of the democratic process, they opted against a direct democracy, and installed a representative democracy in it's stead. This is the 'democracy' the founders were arguing against, i.e., 'direct democracy'.

    But, be assured that at no time in our history were the founding fathers against liberal democracy, which is a much broader concept, because the flower of liberal democracy is embodied in our declaration of independence and our constitution with it's bill of rights.
     
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    I think that is their point and purpose.
     
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    Calling a demon a demon is not demonization.
     
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    You're right, not everyone wants to come here, so you help make a point... that you didn't think of.
    People who do live in stable countries have that because of the way they have built that country- the character of the people, the standards they uphold, including in it's government and it's integrity.
    Most of the people sneaking into the USA are coming from countries where the people were unwilling to invest and fight for that in their own country, and rather than work for it there, they just figure to move here and ride on what others have already done. Proper migration process is designed to admit people who want to be Americans- contributing, independent, self-supporting Americans. NOT the ones who want to colonize, prey on our system and people, bring the crime standards of their homeland here for the better pickings and the lack of consequences that are making crime more and more attractive.

    It is our weakening sense of pride in this nation that is attracting not the best, but the worst from the rest of the world. They aren't coming to help build America better- but to use it.

    You can thank Brandon and his administration for that, along with all the un-thinking, illiterate people who can't read the writing on the wall and support it.

    We've had it right inthe past, and it works. We should back up and learn from our own history, our own best leaders:

    “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
    . Theodore Roosevelt
     
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    Nowhere in that pesky Constitution, or any founding documents, does the word democratic or democracy appear. Can you define "representative democracy" because it doesn't mean voting for individuals that make our laws and rules for us? That is part of a Republic. We are governed, we do not govern ourselves. I have gone around and around about the question. Perhaps a "democratic republic" might be a more acceptable term, if you wish, because some states have initiative and referendum. (Recall doesn't qualify as it is simply getting another election to elect someone else to represent us.) But the most accurate and correct term to describe our form of government is simply "republic."
     
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    In a total democracy, laws are made by the majority- and that disenfranchises the minority. A democratic republic, which I think best describes what we have is intended to combine benefits of each and be considerate of all.
    While Lincoln's words "government of the people, by the people, for the people" are not a part of the constitution, they are now universally recognized as the mission of our system of government. Not so much what it is, but what it is supposed to be- and certainly could be, if we could find the courage to accept nothing less.
     
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    Oxford Dictionary

    republic

    noun


    /rɪˈpʌblɪk/

    /rɪˈpʌblɪk/
    1. a country that is governed by a president and politicians elected by the people and where there is no king or queen
    Tell ya what, my mother has a 2 volume dictionary that is probably over 70 years old (whose definitions haven't been redefined by Democrat pressure). When I can, I will look into the definitions and let you know what they are.
     
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    Do what you want to do- for yourself; I do my own research and thinking.
    While we should be in agreement, you seem to be walking along the edge of adversary.....

    Key Takeaways: Republic vs. Democracy
    • Republics and democracies both provide a political system in which citizens are represented by elected officials who are sworn to protect their interests.
    • In a pure democracy, laws are made directly by the voting majority leaving the rights of the minority largely unprotected.
    • In a republic, laws are made by representatives chosen by the people and must comply with a constitution that specifically protects the rights of the minority from the will of the majority.
    • The United States, while basically a republic, is best described as a “representative democracy.”
    In a republic, an official set of fundamental laws, like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, prohibits the government from limiting or taking away certain “inalienable” rights of the people, even if that government was freely chosen by a majority of the people. In a pure democracy, the voting majority has almost limitless power over the minority.


    The United States, like most modern nations, is neither a pure republic nor a pure democracy. Instead, it is a hybrid democratic republic.


    The main difference between a democracy and a republic is the extent to which the people control the process of making laws under each form of government.
    https://www.thoughtco.com/republic-vs-democracy-4169936
     

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