My first encounter with a Pronoun Warrior

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  1. Maquiscat

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    IIRC, those were actually the first alternate pronouns proposed, and were sourced from sci-fi where various neuter and/or hermaphroditic races existed.
     
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    Does your grandchildren cease to be your grandchildren when they reach adult status?
     
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    Whatever the right word is, just insert it, okay? I don't keep up with binary crap.
     
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    That's the mystery!

    Pretty sure it was really just about disallowing my avoidance of duty (to use 'they').
     
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    I tend to agree with conservatives against woke crap, I'm an old school liberal.

    But, do you agree with me on extreme right wing bullshit, like 'Biden didn't win legit" ?

    Hmmm?
     
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    From Oxford: "...is unknown, irrelevant, or nonbinary, or where gender needs to be concealed." It is not limited to unknown.
     
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    Unlikely. That's heresy among the right. They must adhere to trump's narcissistic canon.
    Unfortunately, it isn't the only right wing extremist bullshit to soil our country.
     
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    Which conservative? You're talking to a classical liberal here, or a lower-case 'L' libertarian. Take your pick.
     
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    The hypervigilance of the prog wokes is astounding. If they are not offended 4-6 times per day, I think they have to call their therapist. And by 'they' and 'their,' I guess I have to now explain I an talking about a whole group of people, not just one. :rock_slayer:
     
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    I like future menstruating person offspring / future nonmenstruating person offspring.
     
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    They, as a singular pronoun, does go back at least as far as the example cited in the Werewolf story. That doesn't mean it's considered proper usage, and in fact, it's been considered slangy and not appropriate among the more educated.

    We have had that class distinction for much longer, going back at least as far as the period just after William the Conqueror. It can be argued that it went back even further, to the time of the Roman occupation. I don't mean that as a societal slur, just pointing out that language use changes periodically, and has different levels of use according to class and education. In the past couple of centuries, the lack of specificity in "they" meant that it's use in academic and legal issues was limited by certain rules of grammar. Even before that, it was not common usage in academics.

    Language and usage are fluid. What was proper once may be improper now. I see that the use of "they" is changing, and there isn't much we can do about it.

    But still...expecting me to change how I use the language to satisfy someone else is bit too much for me. If someone wants to be a they or even an it, I'm ok with that. But I'm not going to stop using gender specific pronouns, especially when they muddle up sentences and make me guess how many people we're talking about. They will always be he and she for me. I'm not changing.

    For anyone actually interested-- Singular They | Antidote.info
     
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    That there's your Woketionary.
     
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    Mr DaS, if I was any further Left you'd be reading this three months post publication - from your productivity pod at Tractor Factory Number 1984.
     
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    Anarcho-humorist :p
     
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    The vigilance probably feels like strength, to the uneasy mind.

    They all need a good dose of hard labour and Chinese parenting - followed by several shots of 80 proof Siberian liquor to take the edge off (both the hard labour, and their own dour preciousness).
     
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    'Offspring' suggest the parental unit/s have some kind of power or control over the newly realised They Is. You should probably refer to an infant as an as-yet undeclared identity.
     
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    The question doesn't require you to be a right winger, it implies only that right wingers are saying Biden didn't win legit.

    You can still answer the question. Do you agree or disagree with right wingers on the point of Biden's legitimacy?
     
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    Maybe "future ejaculating person" would be more precise.
     
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    I'll await BTTR's reply. Thank you.
     
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    I have liberal friends. With them I don't discuss politics. From time to time I encounter virtue signaling which seems designed to see what my position is on political issues. And I never respond. The only people I discuss political issues with face to face are my neighbors. I want to know where they stand and they should know where I stand on issues. Because in hard times survival may require that neighbors depend on each other. Particularly in a rural area such as I live in.
     
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    Yep, they're so woke, they've been woke before woke was a thing, like by centuries.</Sarcasm>

    Dude, Oxford has been a leading authority on language longer than everyone on this thread has been alive combined. And I'm willing to bet most of us are near or past our half century mark. You would need to show something substantial to counter them saying that singular "they" has been in existence for even longer than singular "you". As noted if thou believes that "they" is only plural, then thou needs to treat "you" as plural as well, lest thou be hypocritical.
     
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    Doubtful- but I'd bet you nnow a lot of Biden people with these problems.
    Don't hold up the mirror. Doesn't fool anyone.
     
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    Very interesting read. And very much in support of what I said. Singular "they" has been in use for over 600 years, and yes, it's use between singular and plural has been in conflict after common use for close to 400 years. It has never gone away, and the shift back to more common use, per your own article, began long before the transgender pronoun issue arose.

    We've been seeing this for a while. Just look at the use of the words "gay", "queer" and "f a g". All at one point have meant things other than slurs against homosexuals. One can't claim no changes to language, and still use those words in their modern meaning. And no that is not intended to imply you specifically do so.

    Personally I don't. Mostly I have been countering the claim that "they" is not used in the singular, when it clearly has been for well over 600 years, and for at around 300 longer than singular "you"
     
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    Well, vaginated hominids can ejaculate. And according to some, penised hominids can menstruate. So I don't know, maybe it's better if we just don't leave the house.
     
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    Fair enough.

    In this instance we weren't discussing anything like politics (or religion), so you'd think we were safe.
     

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