Enough is enough.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't read vox narratives.

    I think it is absolutely reasonable that there is a perceived police bias on black people when they have the majority of interactions given that they represent the majority of low income/high crime areas.

    Also. I think it is absolutely reasonable (though unfortunate) that there is likely a bias from police to black people as a group given the amount of negative interactions they are forced to have as a result of having to police high crime neighbourhoods that are mostly black. Is that systemic racism? No. If one group of people is constantly singing "**** the police" are you generally going to have a great opinion or a low opinion of that group of people? Which is why you see the same negative interactions of black cops on black arrests. It's not race based hate.

    So before you get confused, I don't think in this day and age that there is any "system" in place specifically to keep blacks down. There are far too many great examples of blacks succeeding. And we just had a black man hold the highest office/power in the entire world for 8 years. If there was any system in place that is designed to keep poor people, poor...it's the welfare state and abusing it's policies by kicking out the father and breeding a ton of children that are going to grow up and be societal **** stains.
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What, in your opinion, is an absolutely reasonable explanation for why blacks "represent the majority of low income/high crime areas?"
     
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    A growing dependence on the welfare system which kicks the black fathers out of the home. An increase in black divorce rates (80 percent). Single mothers trying to raise more than one kid in a shitty environment that has a strong incentive to get seduced into a life of crime to perpetuate the problem...

    I mean. Seems rather easy to identify and logical. Much more so then "systemic racism" boogey man.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What, in your opinion, is an absolutely reasonable explanation for the conditions you listed? Is there a root cause for those conditions?
     
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    I think Biden's backed war on drugs didn't help for sure. But here's the fallacy in where you want to lead this conversation. If you think that Jim Crow, red lining. for profit prisons which Harris made a career on btw, are the reason as to why black people of TODAY can't make correct life choices for themselves. That's a dead end. Based without logic or reason.

    We are all born with inherited privileges and advantages and disadvantages. I started out poor. I am now NOT poor. I blame that outcome on making correct life choices. My Grandmother fled Germany with nothing but a suitcase. She had to start off poor. And through hard work and correct life choices, she passed away extremely well off.

    My wife who's Chinese, her parents fled Vietnam, again...with nothing to their name. On a refugee boat. Through hard work and correct life choices, they are now wealthy.

    Any black person who starts off in life poor, can through hard work and correct life choices, get ahead in life. There is nothing holding them back. And there are PLENTY of famous black role models who have done EXACTLY THAT. Gifted NOTHING. I'm fairly certain that in 2021, there is no company not willing to hire a black person. What I DON'T want to see is the bar lower to allow them entry. (Harris's equity nonsense) That is just hurting them in the long run and the short run. Diversity hires for the sake of diversity doesn't do anyone any good.

    We must demand that we all earned our spot without bias or prejudice. Only then will black people succeed as well, as our society.
     
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    They were both hard core anti-Trumpers from the get go. Neither have been regular appearence makers for a long time that I have seen. Too bad they didn't stay and offer their rebuttals I'm sure Carlson would have loved to have had them on the show. Can't comment on his series don't subscribe to their online site so haven't watched it.
     
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    How about something specific?

    Just one specific item you'd like to debate, because I do not debate rants.
     
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    Well if you actually read my rant you would understand that it was very specific in what I was ranting about which was one thing and one thing only
     
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    It's all over the place and was very much a rant.

    one item at a time.
     
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    They are both long time neocons calling 1/6 what it was rather than what the Dems and neocons want it to be, which is the deathknell of real, truly, independent thought and new ideas in DC can't be tolerated by either.
     
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    Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you are correct - 1/6 was a revolt against the old ways of Washington. Was that the best way to do it? And were they the best 'troops' they could muster for the task?
     
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    I'll take "false **** narratives perpetuated by left leaning media and politicians" for 200, Alex.
     
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    Rhetorical devices are not arguments.
     
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    Nothing about the list I fired off was "rhetorical"

    it was all bullshit narratives designed to cause division and hate in the united states motivated by money.
     
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    You wrote:

    I'll take "false **** narratives perpetuated by left leaning media and politicians" for 200, Alex.

    Answering with an allusion to the game Jeopardy is a rhetorical device.

    You could have just replied directly to my comment, which you didn't.
     
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    You asked me to pick one. I picked the one I've been referring too this whole time. When you are ready to respond to that, let me know. Otherwise stop wasting my time.

    Alex.
     
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    Rhetoric says nothing.

    If you have something to say, say it, directly.

    You've already wasted enough time.
     
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    Sandmann got a $250 Million settlement from CNN for their slander and 4 other settlements with amounts undisclosed from Fake News that attacked him.

    NICHOLAS SANDMANN JUST BOUGHT AN ISLAND:

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    UPDATE: Heh:

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    This the right response. Sue the lying bastards and make them pay, and then when it elections come around, vote out the folks the propagandists are agitating for.
     
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    What you're saying indirectly, in couched language, is black people find themselves in the position they are in because they're are inherently lazy, or stupid, or seek instant gratification, or possess any of the deficiencies they have been accused of having by racists for centuries.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Given that Wallace voiced his opposition to Carlson's patently dishonest J/6 special, and left Faux a few weeks later, one can assume he too said to himself, "enough is enough."
     
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    Donald Trump’s Megaphone
    Fox News news hosts knew that Trump’s lies were lies—and they amplified them anyhow.

    Screw it. I’ve shown a good deal of restraint since news broke that I left Fox News. I haven’t done any TV about it, and I’ve let a lot of nonsense go by without a response. A major reason I chose to leave with more than a year left on my contract was that I felt conflicted about speaking freely. Fox understandably doesn’t like to pay people who criticize Fox or its talent, and there is something unseemly about it.

    So that was one reason why I left.

    Another was that I didn’t want to be complicit in so many lies. That’s the thing. I know that a huge share of the people you saw on TV praising Trump were being dishonest. I don’t merely suspect it, I know it, because they would say one thing to my face or in my presence and another thing when the cameras and microphones were flipped on. And even when I didn’t hear it directly, I was often one degree of separation from it. (“Guess what so-and-so said during the commercial break?”) Punditry and politics is a very small world—especially on the right—and if you add-up all the congressmen, senators, columnists, producers, editors, etc. you’ll probably end up with fewer people than the student population of a decent-sized liberal arts college.

    https://gfile.thedispatch.com/p/donald-trumps-megaphone

    I realize The Following, in defending Faux's blatant dishonesty, has begun to excuse the lies Faux anchors tell every day by calling them opinions. It's their right to hold the opinion Trump was our greatest prez. It's not their right to lie about the things he did.
     
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    Fox Host Bret Baier Backflips Away From Carlson And Hannity, Insists He’s Not Like Them

    Fox News’ “Special Report” host Bret Baier wants to make it very clear that he isn’t like his hack co-workers at Fox, okay?

    Amid shockwaves over Chris Wallace’s departure to CNN, Baier on Sunday tried to distance his show from fellow Fox host Tucker Carlson, who regularly peddles pro-Trump talking points and misinformation in service of the ex-president.

    “I tell people that the biggest, the loudest critics of Fox are not ones who watch Fox and see the difference between ‘Special Report’ and Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson,” Baier said during an appearance on Fox’s “Media Buzz” program. “I mean, anybody who watches sees the difference.”

    Asked about bombshell revelations of Hannity plus Laura Ingraham and “Fox and Friends” co-host Brian Kilmeade’s panicked texts to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows on Jan. 6, Baier lamented how “it really stinks” to have to cover news about Fox “because I’m trying to never be the news, and trying to report and cover things fairly.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/fox-host-bret-baier-distances-coverage-tucker-carlson-hannity

    No matter how hard Baier tries to get the stench from working at Faux off of him he can't help being tainted by working for a garbage dump of a network.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ‘The guy should be fired on the spot’: Fauci rebukes Fox News host over violent rhetoric

    Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, on Tuesday called on Fox News to fire host Jesse Watters for targeting him with violent rhetoric at a conservative conference earlier this week.

    “That’s awful that he said that. And he’s going to go, very likely, unaccountable,” Fauci told CNN of Watters’ remarks. “I mean, whatever network he’s on is not going to do anything for him. I mean, that’s crazy. The guy should be fired on the spot.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/21/fauci-fox-525826
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just thought I'd preemptively say your dismissive comments about MM will be ignored unless you find factual errors in their article.

    Fox News is replacing Chris Wallace with a rotating list of liars

    Fox News will reportedly replace Fox News Sunday anchor Chris Wallace, who recently announced his departure from the right-wing propaganda channel, with rotating anchors from its “news” side. But most of these figures have extensive histories of pushing conservative misinformation.
    https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-replacing-chris-wallace-rotating-list-liars
     

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