war on xmas : an army marches on its stomach

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  1. Rampart

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    try this one to celebrate the wise guys who showed up in bethlehem following a star or planet or something that all astronomers agree was not visible in palestine circa year 0000.

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    I don't think God cares much what all astronomers think.
     
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    no one even agrees whether it was a star, a planet, a supernova, a meoter or meteorite, arora borealis, alien spacecraft... much less which one of any of these might have been visible then but gone now. How can all astromers therefore agree that it didn't exist?
     
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    I am not religious. However, I thought Rampart's statement was silly. He is talking about an event where God is obviously involved and to say that there was no star there at the time is silly since God created the heaven and the universe and can put a star anywhere he pleases. .
     
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    maybe that alien spacecraft brought a book containing that recipe?

    The twilight zone - To serve man (very short cut) - YouTube
     
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    Yeah….. I was wondering. I did lol, however, it was awkward.
     
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    False.
     
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    If you do anything to celebrate Christmas you are participating in the celebration of the birth of Christ.

    So unless you say humbug to it all you are being hypocritical.

    Same with Easter Halloween and Thanksgiving.
     
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    False???

    Either the story is true or the story is untrue. It is impossible to prove the story to not be true because astronomers cannot find a star which matches the event. If the story is true, certainly God would have the power to put a star anywhere he pleases.

    If the story is not true, there were no wise men and the absence of a star is of no consequence.
     
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    There is no god.
    There were no wise men.
    The "guiding light" is useless.

    Why would anyone want to believe in a supreme being that punishes his kids by evicting them from their home, drowning all of them except animals and a couple brown nosers and doesn't care about his children? A god that has time to place stars wherever he wants is not prioritizing correctly.

    What is he doing about murderers, rapists, pedophiles, domestic abusers, human trafficking, countless children living in orphanages because they were unwanted and the rest of the hell on Earth that exists? Spoiler alert: Nothing. Either he doesn't care or he doesn't exist and neither one of those serve in purpose.
     
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    never know what a jealous vengeful God would think
     
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    as for christmas, seems some wish to be selfish (scrooges) and try to make chistmas a christian only holiday, but this is America and that will never happen - christmas is for everyone that wants to celebrate it - peace to all and hope everyone has a great christmas this year, no matter what they believe - christmas should be about bringing people together, not tearing them apart based on what they believe

    as for Easter, do you celebrate Easter? or do you celebrate “Resurrection Sunday” or did the Pagan name stick and that is good enough for you even though you're not Pagan?
     
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    the war on xmas is deadly serious, the "eastern front" of the culture war.
     
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    unless i am celebrating the winter solstice, the saturnalia, or the end of hurricane season.
     
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    an all knowing god who does not seem to understand the germ theory of disease and instead banishes demons to a convenient flock of swine (in a region where pork is never eaten were pigs raised as pets?)
     
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    CHRISTmas is about Christ it is a celebration of the birth of Christ to say it has nothing to do with Christ or Christianity is to take leave of all reality.

    The only reason non-christians celebrate it is because of Christianity the only reason it exists is because of Christianity. Even traditions like Santa Claus come strictly from Christianity.

    I don't take any issue with non-christians celebrating it it's just you are celebrating Christ.
    I've never heard of Resurrection Sunday. That sounds like something you just made up on the spot.

    The resurrection is celebrated on Easter. And yes there is a lot of pagan tradition surrounding it the eggs the rabbits that's pagan symbolism for fertility and New Life but I was part of the Catholic church for 15 years and they called it Easter Sunday.

    Pagans would call the holiday Ostara, not Easter and it would be celebrated on the equinox not on the Sunday following a full moon or whatever.
     
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    Anybody that thinks 5 tbsps of pepper is enough to season that meal isn't much of a cook.
     
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    the story can have elements of truth. the teachings of eastern wise men such as confucius, buddha, and zoroaster would have reached palestine with the caravans of the silk road, caravans transporting gold, frankincense, and myrrh among many other commodities.
     
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    You would be celebrating the winter solstice or yule on the 21st not the 25th and you wouldn't be doing it by decorating a Christmas tree. You would instead have a stack of chopped wood with candles on it and bits of greenery stuck in it in your house if that's not what you're doing you're not celebrating yule.

    Saturnalia would be celebrated in mid December not at the end of it.

    Christmas is specifically a celebration of the birth of Christ if you do anything you are celebrating the birth of Christ even if you don't believe in it which is fine you don't have to believe in it to celebrate it just if you talk about how bad Christianity is and then celebrate the beginning of it you're a bit of a hypocrite.
     
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    yes, i would add pepper to taste, and a large injection of cajun hot sauce. also, boiling is a bit tame. i think deep fry is the way to go. and add a few ducks and perhaps a piglet inside the lamb.

    finally, someone who gets that this is a recipe, not a religion seminar.
     
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    you are quibbling about the date? how about that partridge in a pear tree thing?

    this is america! i am free to celebrate all year round but eventually that leads to 12 steps.
     
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    in the non-religious Christmas, there is no "Christ" in Christmas, the T is silent
     
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    surprised you never heard of it,

    the Pagan name of the holiday was Easter, to honor the goddess of spring

    the Christian name was Resurrection Sunday

    but the name Easter won out in the end (probably more due to the Easter Bunny than anything else)

    https://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/resurrection-sunday-faq.htm


    Pagans celebrated Christmas long before Christians, just the Christmas name won out on that one

    "The History Of Christmas And Its Pagan Origins"

    https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/history-christmas-pagan-origins/

    "The winter solstice held the promise of the return of springtime and earthly renewal. In Roman history, this was the time of Saturnalia, honoring the God of Agriculture, for the week before the solstice, and Juvenalia, a feast in honor of the children of Rome, around the same time. On the 25th of the month they celebrated the birth of the sun-god Mithra."

    and Santa

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

    "Santa is generally believed to be the result of a syncretization between St. Nicholas of Myra and elements from pagan Nordic and Christian mythology, and his modern appearance is believed to have originated in 19th century media."
     
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    you mean the 12 Days of Christmas there is a lot of history in that song and it's 100% related to Christianity it is largely metaphorical if you want to look into it.
    yes you are free to celebrate Christ even if you don't believe in him. As I said before I don't have a problem with that.

    It's just ironic to hear people talk **** about the religion they are celebrating at the same time. And I was simply making that observation.
     

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