The United States has regained respect.

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every nation in the world that matters .. and strange that the Anti Trumper - of which I am not .. having way better arguments against Biden at the moment - do not point to this..

    This was Trumps biggest blunder in on the Geopolitical Chessboard. I stated long ago that "Unilaterally" backing out of the Iran deal was dumb - or at least pointless and counterproductive - along with something like 19 of 22 of Trumps inner cabinet - history now proving that summation correct.

    but that was not the big economic blunder. The Big economic blunder was forcing the rest of the world to go along with Trump's Arbitrary Unilateral Sanctions at gunpoint - using the economic nuclear option - threatening block corporations and banks out of the International system of payments .. done in US dollars.

    The Crowd went wild and very few segments on the news .. EU leaders France - Germany - using the strongest language .. not in private - but publicly "You are messing with our Sovereignty" and thems fighitng words in case you were in doubt..

    Trump got complicance for the most part - no choice .. if you are an international bank you are out of business if blocked from the global system of payments.

    but at what cost ? -- Every time we turned around - we were getting the big FU ---- all over the map .. rattling off a few off top of head..

    Germany - Nordstream FU
    Italy - Belt and Road Initiative - FU
    EU - Huawei .. FU
    India/Turkey S-400 - FU
    and we can go on ..

    but never mind - all this is going on when Trump is fighting a Trade War with China - a time when he needs his economic allies the most .. How about a war on 20 fronts .. While we are busy going around bashing China -- and the rest of the world -- they are doing business .. with each other .. making deals .. of which we are not included.

    Your working as a purchaser -- international contract - numerous bidders.. one of those bidders is "a former" ally - call it Romania - that has been aggressively "Messing with US Sovereignty" and it is much in the news .. a few "anti Romania " protests going on ..in the streets ..

    Bottom of the pile perhaps ? Was a blunder .. and a rather bad one .. made a very bold move in the chessboard - but was miscalculated and got punished hard.

    Last - The "Economic Nuclear Option" is called that for a reason. We were "Trusted" - and on the basis of this Trust given the priviledge of being the world reserve currency ... something that is a massive benefit to our nation .. allowing us to borrow at next to zero rates for example - and borrow near as much as we want. That trust was violated .. no turning back on that one .. only a matter of time before recompense.

    The world was already working on a competitor - an alternative to the US system - but at a snail's pace. The 2008 crash put a bit of a fire under the mattress - some moves were made - baby steps but steps. The advent of distributed ledger technology (block-chain /Crypto) provided a technological innovation - making the end goal much easier to realize...

    So I suppose we can call what Trump did the final nail in the coffin .. but that it was.

    One day you may wake up in the morning and there will be a valid competitor to the US sytem of payments ... remember that day - as it is the day when the History books will record as the defacto end of the US Economic Empire.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Getting into the Iran deal was the greatest foreign policy blunder in history.
    To get a deal with a country that has never kept its word about anything ,,, by paying a pallet of cash up front to fund terrorism ,,, to include a ransom for Americans taken illegally was stupid. That's not nearly all of it. To get the Iran deal which we got nothing for, Obama had to blame the Benghazi attack, planned and orchestrated by Iran's Suleimani, on a trailer for a movie no one watched.

    So, with the US taxpayer funding a military presence 70,000 strong, costing $7B annually to protect Europe from Putin adventurism, there shouldn't be and expectation that European countries (1) contribute substantially to their own defense, and (2) refrain from enriching the enemy US taxpayers are paying to protect them from? If our former allies put all their eggs in the Putin basket, Putin will do what Putin does ---
    This Xi plan for world domination started in 2013, revolves around currency manipulation, intellectual property theft and political payoffs that have long been in China's bag of tricks.

    Currency manipulation and intellectual property theft continue despite Trump collecting modest remuneration in the form of tariffs.

    When the US Dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency, it will because it is no longer stable due to out of control spending and printing. At that point, the dollar will be worth bupkiss, meaning inflation will go through the roof if it isn't already there. The dollar owes it's stature to its stability over time and the petrodollar.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Doesn't matter about the blunder getting in - doesn't matter how he got out .. what mattered was using the economic nuclear option.
    The money was Iraq's .. and was not used to fund terrorism .. Was Obama/Biden piling money into terrorism ..side by side with Al Qaeda and Brother Assad in 2 wars .. arming, supporting, supplying the Islamic State .. get with the program mate .

    Sulimaini was fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS .. did we get in the way ?

    Nonsense Trope on steroids .. koolaid - Protect Europe from what .. The EU could give a rat's tail -
    No kidding - say it isnt so .. and to Trumps credit -- he made some noise about this problem .. finally .. then proceeded into Blunder Panda mode.

    No .. it will be unstable when there is a new kid on the block .. a valid competitor .. as that is what will lead to instability.. and its coming .. hard to say how long but you see the moves accellerating.

    At the end of the day was a massive blunder .. and you apologizing for the "FU"s all over the planet .. of which mentioned only a few - have written the history already..
     
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    Thread title is a joke. Let's go Brandon!!!
     
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    Very astute.
     
  6. mitchscove

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    Fact is, Rod, that with Biden screwing up everything he touches, lefties are in a desperate hunt for a new narrative. Mocking the media with the "Let's go Brandon" chant has gone viral. Durham appears to be chasing down the Russian spy Clinton conspired with to frame Trump. Fauci has been exposed by his own organization as having lied to Congress.

    Obama told us a couple of things that should explain the last year. He told us that mail-in ballots are ripe for fraud, but held up Oregon as an example of mail-in ballots that work only because they used signature verification to ensure the "right people" were voting. Democrat Secretaries of State proceeded to violate federal election law, overriding their legislatures by instituting mail-in voting without verification to intentionally open the door to fraud, which Zuckerberg spent $419M to facilitate. Democrats continue to fight against any form of voter verification because they can't win an election with just registered voters casting ballots.

    Obama also told us that he would love to run the country in his pajamas with a front man making believe he is President. Thus the 3rd term of unthinkable incompetence we are experiencing.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Is this a story about how your "new kid on the block" was gifted by enemies of the US who are responsible for the new kid developing hypersonic missile technology?
    https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/flashback-bill-clinton-gave-china-missile-technology/191783
     
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    Your comment has nothing to do with anything in my post - but, Clinton had zero to ziltch to do with China developing hypersonic missile technology..

    In the early to mid 90's (round the time of heir Clinton) Russia introduced the worlds first super sonic anti ship cruse missile - was at least a decade ahead of anything we had at the time India joined with Russia on this technology later in the 90's .. China shortly after that

    This consortia has been collaborating on missile technology for the last 2 decades mate .. Russia introducing the first hypersonic - Zircon, India shortly thereafter .. and now China.. It is no secret where China got the technology from.. the author of the article in your link above is a fool .. having no clue what he is talking about.
     
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    Give and ye shall receive. You don't seem shy about demanding help when you start wars. And the Allies were grateful for your help during World war 2.
     
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    I'm not against maintaining good relations with allies and, of course, Australia was a strong ally in WWII and still is today. I was simply correcting the post to change respect to popularity.
     
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    Trump boldly facing down Germany's 2nd worst chancellor.

    Demented Joe the slow motion train wreck.
    Key Component of the second Island Chain that would contain an expansionist China well before they could endanger our West Coast.

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    Dementia Joe's WH idiots play pretend presidency, never doing a damn thing but blaming and spinning the responsibility for not doing a damn thing.
    This isn't a functioning WH. To start with, the President is a fraud and a lie in advanced dementia and they are all consumed with trying to conceal that, since plan A was to pave the way for Kamala to assume the presidency and that is clearly not a workable plan, so now they have Dementia Boy and Kackling Kamala whose go-to move is her "I'm Horny" giggle.
    https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/11/28/now-were-fighting-with-the-marshall-islands-n431713

    How much of Hunter's art did China buy?
     
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    So, you like Orange Jesus because he makes you laugh? Most people go to comedy shows for that, not elect it.
     
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    80 million people supposedly elected Bidet.

    Did you laugh when you were at the polls?
     
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    I've been down this road before. On forums I frequent, I have, on several occasions, posted shortcomings of Pres. Trump asking on the other side to then admit a shortcoming of Biden. All I ever received were crickets. So, you first this time.
     
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    My posting history shows that I'm not a Biden fan either.
     
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    This poll was conducted before the Afghan pull out, before Biden underdogged France with a sub deal, and before their approval rating slide to 36%for the president and 28% for the VP.

    I’m pretty confident if this was done today it would show differently. The Paris accord is also a joke. It won’t even pass congress to make it permanent. It will just be thrown out again. I don’t know why people count that as an accomplishment. It’s a pathetic attempt to save a presidents numbers that are so horrid anyone could beat this clown next election.
     
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    Definitely.
     
  18. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The President's approval domestically has fallen considerably. Au currant:

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    I can find no more recent survey of the President's popularity abroad, but would not be surprised if the relief that our allies evidenced after the 2020 election has somewhat abated..
    Global approval ratings of the U.S. under Joe Biden's leadership have jumped nearly 20 percent
    from record lows seen at the end of former President Donald Trump's term, according to a new poll.
    Ratings have so far improved the most among European allies, including Portugal (52 percentage points),
    the Netherlands (45 points), Norway (42 points) and Sweden (41 points). The survey also found that
    the U.S. regained support among countries in the Group of Seven (G7), with ratings rising 38 points
    in Canada, 36 points in Germany, 30 in the United Kingdom, 22 in Italy, 18 in France and 11 in Japan.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...rcent-from-trump-s-record-low-poll/ar-AAPIcPf
    PS: One should not underestimate our allies' relief at a U.S. president finally keeping his commitment to end the Afghan quagmire, rather than merely blowing gas about it -

     
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    Good point .. showing that even if the "Respect" claim was true .. what is the respect of a swamp creature worth.

    The fact of the matter however, is that the claim is nonsense to begin with .. especially when connected with phrases like "leadership around the world"

    Notice this article is "NOT" from Fox or some right leaning US outlet .. but from the horses mouth. "European Council on Foreign Relations"

    The crisis of American power: How Europeans see Biden’s America


     
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    If that's true, then explain the love for a race dividing pedophile who's also accused of sexual assault and who lies and looks confused half the time?
     
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    Well of course, now that the money faucet has been turned back on.

    Word to the wise- when people only 'respect' you so long as you're financially supporting them, its not really respect.
     
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    There is this, domestically:
    With the U.S. military evacuation of Afghanistan completed – bringing America’s longest war to an end –
    54% of U.S. adults say the decision to withdraw troops from the country was the right one, while 42% say it was wrong,
    according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted Aug. 23-29.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...den-criticized-for-his-handling-of-situation/
    Whether, over time, finally ending the bloody fiasco outweighs the lack of finesse in doing so, both domestically and internationally, remains to be seen. The achievement of finally ending years of squandering lives and treasure in Afghanistan may well eventually be seen as more significant that the style points. Exit was never going to be attended by triumphal exuberation.
     
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    International loathing is averse to U.S. interests.

    Coalitions are conducive to mutual benefit.

    Trump's aligning the United States with Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Eritrea, Yemen, and South Sudan in their alienation from the community of nations in the Paris Accord was antithetical to American interests.
     
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    One third of the electorate is Independents, and they don't vote party line. They always determine who wins, and they wanted a change. If Trump had been mature, tactful, and gentlemanly, he would still be the president today.
     
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    Most of the left still doesn't understand why they lost in 2016 which is why they went right back to the policies that cost them in 2016.
     

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