Legit use of deadly force?

Nope.

 

Yep

 

Still nope.

 

? No gun ... Wear this without a mask instead . Make sure to cough. Covid cooties are a good deterrent !

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What if you got pulled over and you hold up a sign " windows don't roll down and I have COVID-19, must open door" and cough for all your worth. Lol

 

I feel that if enough people were shot while trying to harm others, and it was properly reported, fewer people would risk assaulting others.

Unfortunately, when a gun is used for self defense, it may get some local coverage, but will never make the headlines most people see.

 

Of course not, the very last thing MSM wants is to run content counter to their narrative and agenda.

 

Exactly - America is in a civil arms race with itself.
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So you don’t start there. And no one is actually suggesting that you do. Australian police carry guns but guess why? Feral dogs, oh! And the occasional crocodile.

and the result of that is that it is not only the “good guys” that have the guns. I guess it is hard for you to even imagine living in a country where guns are rarely required.

I am single female older and live by myself and I don’t need a weapon. It is highly unlikely that someone breaking in will be armed or that they are more interested in harming me that escaping with my purse.

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That is because a) the gun “signal” is too loud - your “defensive use” is drowned by mass shootings and b) research suggests it is happening waaaay less than originally reported and c) the NRA has run out of money so is no longer paying for those stories to be run

 

Ooooh! Look! An Anti- vaxx shirt!

 

~ Americans will keep their firearms . That is their right - not a privilege.

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Just to avoid confusion I should state some of this hypothetical scenario is true and some is fictional. But it's all plausible.

Last night I walked to a nearby stripmall to pick up a pizza I ordered. Naturally I was carrying my Glock 9MM. On the way I encountered someone who I saw littering. As it happens my wife and I volunteered to participate in a city run program to clean our street of litter a few months back. Since then I get especially bothered if I see people throwing trash on the ground in my neighborhood.

So I say to the guy, "hey, could you pick up that trash, I live around here." To which he replies, "f... off." A further exchange of words follows, after which the guy (who is much larger than I am) starts to quickly approach me in what I perceive to be a manner threatening my life by saying he's going to cave in my face. Boom, boom. My shooting a litterer, a 35 year old married father of two, is completely justified by the law.

Does that actually make sense to anybody?

 

When a gun is used in self defense, it does not get national media coverage. Someone decided that the loss of life becomes newsworthy at 4 or more. The vast majority of murder is committed one at a time and the victim is usually unarmed. Mass murderers prefer gun free zones.

You and I have the luxury of having this discussion from safety. We don't see dead bodies and crime scenes. Those that do are overwhelmingly in favor of armed citizens.

 

Yes. You would have no idea what might follow the sneak bodily harm attack, and you don't have the time to intellectualize it.

 

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Roy Rogers always shot them in the hand or something non-lethal. Shouldn't we try that??LOL

 

And how were we often treated by Indigenous people? Don't really know what you are trying to say but.... Read "Scalp Dance" sometime.

 

Okay Joe I know I already responded to your post once, but after I have had time to digest and think about this over the last several days I cannot help but realize that you missed a key word in my original post

I said potentially lethal Force, potential is the key word there.

Basically my goal is this.... If you just attack me for no good reason, I'm going to swing back 10 times harder.... My goal is to make you stop your assault not to end your life

It seems as though when you read my post you think I'm itching to just use lethal force and that's not the case.

Lethal force is of course the worst case scenario, the best case scenario is well basically that I just be left alone to begin with but failing that.... And overwhelming degree of forces returned greater than the sum of the initial assault to make the assailant change their mind and cease and desist what the hell they're doing.


Does that sound wrong to you it makes sense to me?

 

I totally accept the rational of your position and largely agree in principle.

My issue is just with some of the wording and narrative with how the proposing thinking in the heat of an actual incident, which I think is both flawed and not realistic. The thought wouldn't (and shouldn't) be about "swinging back 10 times harder" or actively deciding to try to kill your assailant, the singular thought is going to be able stopping the attack. That will be largely instinctive and subconscious, maybe without even quite realising exactly what is happening and while it may well lead to serious injury or death of an attacker, I don't think that should be a conscious thought in the abstract or some kind of plan before hand.