The New Climate Reality

This is the ENTIRE Holocene Sea level changes according to the research and the chart is supported by data, 24,000 years shown in the chart you are trying hard to ignore:

"2.1.1.2. Reconstructed global sea-level since the Last Glacial Maximum, 20,000 years ago, based on dated worldwide coral and peat deposits. Adapted from Fairbanks, R.G. 1989. A 17,000 year glacio-eustatic sea- level record: Influence of glacial melting rates on the Younger Dryas event and deep-ocean circulation. Nature 342 : 637–642; Toscano, M.A. and Macintyre, I.G., 2003. Corrected western Atlantic sea-level curve for the last 11,000 years based on calibrated 14 C dates from Acropora"

You are the one who is fighting science research as I posted 4 links to the Glacial and Interglacial as real periods within the H, there actually dozens more going back to the 1800's.

"The Quaternary glaciation, also known as the Pleistocene glaciation, is an alternating series of glacial and interglacial periods during the Quaternary period that began 2.58 Ma (million years ago) and is ongoing.[1][2][3] Although geologists describe the entire time period up to the present as an "ice age", in popular culture the term "ice age" is usually associated with just the most recent glacial period during the Pleistocene or the Pleistocene epoch in general.[4] Since planet Earth still has ice sheets, geologists consider the Quaternary glaciation to be ongoing, with the Earth now experiencing an interglacial period."

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You and Tigger posted ZERO counterpoint to the evidence I posted.

You have ZERO argument to offer so far.......

 

LOL, you are now making stuff up since I never denied we are in the current Interglacial phase which I pointed out already at post 2070,

"Interglacial that is currently ongoing."

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Post 2042,

"Currently Earth is in the INTERGALCIAL period, from Wikipedia again:"

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Post 2036,

"We are currently in the Interglacial period."

As you can read, already stated we are currently in the interglacial period THREE time in this thread. You are having serious ocular difficulties reading my comments.

 

Did you even bother to research how long Earth has been experiencing global ice age type climate events? Try something like 2.4 billion years. The Quanterny event are merely the latest in a looooong series of similar climate states alternating with periods where ice has been almost entirely absent from the planet. All of which up till the most recent events occurred without the involvment of human beings. So arguing that the Earth isn't undergoing a period of man made warming by virtue of the fact we're in the middle of temporary warming period doesn't address the key question. Which is to what extent, if any is human activity is impacting the trend line of current climate conditions.

It doesn't matter if Earth is in a 'cold' period, a 'warm' period or a 'smack bang in the middle' period. All that matters is the question is human activity impacting the climate. And stemming from that question a second one. If there are effects are they likely to have a positive or a negative impact (from a global perspective) on both human society and on the ecosystem.

to date the best available research says the answer to those questions are yes, we are having and impact and yes, that impact is negative. (I say this last since hypothetically I suppose you could argue that we could intervene in climate dynamics in a positive way - I mean who wants to spend the next 20,000 years up to the arse in snow weighting for for the next ice age to end?)

Regardless however I'm guided by the best evidence currently available. And if new research comes to light proving conclusively that climate change is not a problem? Well good, better than good actually, we can all relax. Only problem - it doesn't look like that is going to happen.

 

Yes I am aware. It was due to the collapse of an Ice damn in North America as the ice began to melt. What has it to do with todays climate change.

 

I can't be a**sed with you Jack. Simply posting facts about the last ice age without any explanation of the relevance YOU consider they have to todays rapid increases is stupid and boring.

 

What has it got to do with current rapid climate change.

 

Read the entire post. Because, if you think the first sentence is the critical part of the post then I'm sorry, because that means like Elvis you to have 'left the building'!

But to clarify. As I stated in my post the Earth's geologic history clearly indicates that the planet has gone through major swings in it's climate without human input. So the question is not whether or not the Earth's climate ever changes, it obviously does! The question is has humanity adversely contributed to current climate conditions via an increase in human population and corresponding increases in CO2 emissions as well as other related man made pollutants.

 

Buzzwords are not science, dude. You need to define your terms.

 

Fourth time I am posting this from Wikipedia:

"The Quaternary glaciation, also known as the Pleistocene glaciation, is an alternating series of glacial and interglacial periods during the Quaternary period that began 2.58 Ma (million years ago) and is ongoing.[1][2][3] Although geologists describe the entire time period up to the present as an "ice age", in popular culture the term "ice age" is usually associated with just the most recent glacial period during the Pleistocene or the Pleistocene epoch in general.[4] Since planet Earth still has ice sheets, geologists consider the Quaternary glaciation to be ongoing, with the Earth now experiencing an interglacial period."

large size red bolding mine

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I have been correcting YOU and others about the PERIODS (Glacial/Interglacial) within the Quaternary Glaciation which is currently ongoing, that is what I have been doing for two pages of this thread.

You suddenly stop disputing the evidence I have shown to bring in a classic red herring (link) diversion dragging in new stuff not under dispute or previous posts in this thread.


Your goal post moving replies are boring and revealing.

 

By "Republicans" I can only gather that you meant to say Democrats...

Mask wearing does not stop or slow the spread of viruses, nor does it protect the wearer or anyone else around him/her from viruses. The pores of the mask are far too large and viruses are far too small. Masks are not worn 24/7/365, let alone worn properly.

The issue with vaccinations is not necessarily the vaccinations themselves (although I personally take issue with the COVID jabs themselves), but rather the mandating of them. It shouldn't be forced on people; it should be a personal choice.

How can I deny that which isn't even unambiguously defined?

There is no such thing as a "scientific fact"... There are only facts.

There is no meaningful data on Earth's temperature, as we don't have near enough thermometers to measure the temperature of Earth to any usable accuracy.

There is no science with regard to buzzwords such as "climate change".

Projection.

 

I don't have a dog in the "relevance" fight: I think it's not a good question. I merely pointed out your misuse/misunderstanding of terminology. I don't care about the rest.

 

'New stuff? A 2.4 billion year long history of ice age weather patterns intermixed with periods of 'green house' climate patterns is new! As I said before you can't just pull one set of climate patterns out of the geological record and say 'this the only one that matters'. Repeatedly referring the Quaternary Glaciation does make it 'special', its not a magic charm i.e. saying the words three times in a row does not suddenly make the question of AGW disappear in a puff of logic!.

Cherry picking climate periods to suit an argument is irrelevant to the issue of AGW because it doesn't matter whether or not the current climate period technically falls within an ice age or not. Just like it wouldn't matter if it fell within one of the Earths hothouse (zero ice at the poles) climate periods. All that matters is the question of whether or not AGW is a real (scientifically confirmed) issue. I've never denied we were in the Quaternary (albeit in an inter-glacial period ) but trying to use the words 'ice age' as an argument against AGW won't fly.

 

LOL never once used the ice age argument as an argument against AGW, you made it all up heck you haven't quoted me on it or anything else to support your made-up nonsense.

Your goal post deflections are so bad that it is good!

Thank you for the comedy.

Cheers.

 

I came in half way through the thread so a I no doubt missed your 'argument' so enunciate it one more time if you would please. I'm not going back through 84 pages.

 

Blah blah blah. Endless false warnings.
50 Years of Spurious Climate Change Scaremongering

Bjorn Lomborg, New York Post

 

There is no valid climate financial threat.
New York Fed: Weather Disasters do NOT Threaten Bank Profits
Eric Worrall
Michael Shellenberger highlighting a New York Fed report which trashes the idea that climate change is a threat to the US financial system. . . .

 

It sure is the pattern of posting around here.

 

Climate deniers are not known for being particularly articulate. Very good at cherry-picked copy and paste, though.

 

Skeptics don't indulge in insults or false characterizations of others' posts.

 

Another dubious prediction bites the dust.
WaPo’s Mountain West Snowpack Alarm Buried by an Avalanche of Truth
SNOWPACK DECEMBER 7, 2021

 

Crucial Antarctic ice shelf could fail within five years, scientists say

Worrying fractures have appeared in the floating ice wedge that buttresses the notorious Thwaites Glacier, which already contributes 4 percent of annual global sea level rise. Ice shelf failure would speed up the glacier’s melt and could eventually raise sea levels by several feet, threatening millions of people in coastal areas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...9._ty4-POw3JTFCEDeEXpAhQtLwiQlbREAduIiTl7aSro

 

This is an old yarn that goes back decades, it is a dishonest claim since the active VOLCANO under that Glacier is a significant contributor to undersea melting.

 

It's the volcanoes underneath.
New paper finds West Antarctic glacier likely melting from geothermal heat below
2014 › 10 › 12 › new-paper-finds-west-antarctic-glacier-likely-melting-from-geothermal-heat-below
Antarctic glaciers such as such as the Thwaites Glacier and the neighboring Pine Island Glacier are rapidly ... evidence that one of the largest glaciers in West Antarctica, the Thwaites Glacier, is primarily melting from

 

Climate change has destabilized Earth's poles, new research shows, putting the rest of the planet in peril

For the first time this year, rain fell on the summit of the Greenland ice sheet. Beavers and commercial ships are invading formerly frozen areas. A crucial Antarctic ice shelf is on the brink of collapse. New research shows how rising temperatures have irreversibly altered both the Arctic and Antarctic. The ripple effects will be felt around the globe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...9.YSwjST_mNr8QiVNoME24rJXFPpItgNDi6y5YTfU26EI



Interesting........but also concerning.

 

This is an old yarn that goes back decades, it is a dishonest claim since the active VOLCANO under that Glacier is a significant contributor to undersea melting.

It is clear you can't address what me and Jack posted in reply.

I await something called a counterpoint.......