Let's do a pros and cons of Trumps Presidency

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  1. kriman

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    Lowered taxes. All indications were of an improving economy under Trump. And now it is going to crap under Biden.
     
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    But somehow a skate board could not be used as a weapon against Rittenhouse?
     
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    The economy had improved for 7 yrs prior. The longest bull run in history of USA
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But the labor participation rate started back up during the Trump presidency and the unemployment reached historic lows.
     
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    Again coattails.
     
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    How do coattails improve the labor participation rate?
     
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    And things are so much better now....

    If you're a dung-beetle, because everything turning to - DUNG.
     
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    considering your first link can’t even accurately portray those who died in the first few paragraphs, I’d be well within reason to discard your judgment in finding sources to be worthless.

    Only 1 person died because of the riot. Not 4. The others were from medical conditions and overdose. I’ll bet you even believe Sicknick died because of the riot since that’s politically convenient for you.

    But your source has motivations to portray the riot as serious as possible. So here we are. Me talking results and you talking what could have been. Guess which actually matters? Are you able to quantify what percentage of the 800 estimated crowd was so armed? What percentage of that actually became violent?

    The Republican Party has a lot of people in it and a lot lot lot of weapons. Had they been serious about things things would have been much much different. Hell, if they had been serious about using the weapons they had, things would have been much much different as the police would have been forced to open fire on them rather than engage in hand to hand combat.

    Sorry but when it comes to violent riots the Republican Party is nothing compared to Democrats, the party of Criminal Championing, defending and setting loose upon society. It’ll take much more than a few unused batons and baseball bats making a mess of offices to prove otherwise, but by all means keep pretending that’s where the real threat to this country is. Most transparent Red Herring in history

    Edit: and btw, my personal opinion on why the crowd wasn’t serious about violence but showed up with their crude weapons,as few as they were, is as precaution to proven-violent Democrat counter protestors. Very smart thing to come at least somewhat prepared for Democrat voters trying to kill you, just ask Kyle Rittenhouse
     
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    It bounced around the same value within the margin of error from May 2015 until October 2018. It started back up in late 2018..
     
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    I provided several links that prove my points. You didn't like one so you discount them all.

    140 policemen ended up in the hospital because of the attack and 5 people died from cause s related to or directly because of the attack on our Capitol. Those are real facts.
    You have provided nothing but opinion that links to discredited Q, no wonder you don't provide documentation for your position.

    Anyway go back to Q and further corrupt your opinion of the world. Bye now!
     
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    It hit a low in 2015. If you want to hang your hat on the fact the rate went up 1 point in trumps term have at it.
    Not a great accomplishment. But I guess that is your pro.
     
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    upload_2021-12-2_10-35-17.png Here's an expanded area of the time frame you refer to.
     
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    A point is around 200,000 jobs and it looks like it went up around three points.
     
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    Is "going tocrap" a technical term under the economic model that you use? I have been unable to find that term in Keynes general theory. Modern monetary theory indicates that the trump tax cuts take insufficient amounts of money to control inflation and that by denominated the repubs in federal reserve Biden wants to continue that inflationary trend.
     
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    There was little to no inflation until several months after Biden took office.
     
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    Great idea!! No one has mentioned Trump in, oh . . . an hour or two. It's like he's the forgotten man.
     
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    I presented a fact to you, and you have not refuted that fact.

    My comment, therefore, stands.
     
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    Provide evidence, or off you go to the wishful thinking file.
    No way in hell is Biden worse. That's delusion and denial in the extreme.

    Those reports I posted prove it. Biden has no such reports against him.

    Your opinion doesn't prove a damn thing. I got hard, voluminous, evidence.

    You have nothing.
     
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    "not seen in decades' is misleading because the chart clearly shows where the decline is headed, and will logically continue to decline for the next president as long as he doesn't do anything to muck it up. ( But, by the end of his term, he did ).

    So, Trump claiming he is wholly responsible for it is misleading. An honest assessment would be that, as long as he doesn't muck it up, it should continue to decline based on policies set into motion by prior administrations.
     
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    Your the one in delusion and denial .. why you projecting your failings onto me .. "Evidence" what .. have you never heard of Biden's vax mandate.

    "singling out a group within society .. using state sponsored propaganda and lies to demonize this group of people .. followed by taking their livelihoods away . restricting their movement - forced medical treatemtent .. everything you would expect from Authoritarian Facist"
     
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    It is much harder to reduce the unemployment rate when it is getting very low. There will always be a few people changing jobs. In addition, the labor participation rate bottomed out at the beginning of Trump's term and then had gained nearly 0.4% before Covid hit. That is a gain of around 800,000 people going back to work.
     
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    You have a right to your own opinions, not your own facts.
     
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    Pros:
    1. Taking significant steps for criminal justice reform, and making the movement more of a norm within the Republican parts
    2. Not getting involved in regime change is Syria
    3. Taking the first steps towards getting us out of Afghanistan

    Cons:
    1. Destroying the SIV program, which creating a huge backlog for our allies in Afghanistan who needed to evacuate the country, which ultimately impacted US citizens in Afghanistan as well. Joe Biden also displayed an inability to take action on this issue, until it was already too late

    2. Showing a complete inability to address critical issues when things didn't play out the way he wanted them to. The Trump presidency was kind of like living in a home where the head of the household had too big of an ego to call a plumber when the toilet backed up. He would instead insist that everything is working terrifically, even as the problem got worse and worse. It didn't really matter if he was the one who caused the toilet to back up, what mattered was getting the damn thing fixed.

    And that pretty much sums up what his leadership was like, it started off with inconsequential things, like him saying his inauguration crowd was biggest and best turnout, when that clearly wasn't the reality of the situation.. but then when we got into things like 3,000 American dying from a lack of hurricane relief in Puerto Rico, and hundreds of thousands of Americans dying all over due to COVID, the consequences were pretty dire when he would insist that everything was going great, and that the numbers were all fake, rather than properly making any adjustments to fix the issue. Just a few months ago he said that COVID deaths were practically zero when he left office. In reality, there were more than 4,000 deaths in a single day the day he left office.

    What his leadership displayed was more than just an inability to fix things when they were not going well, but a complete inability to even acknowledge when things weren't going well. I can only hope we never run into this kind of problem ever again in this country, it was bad enough when we elected a president like that while things were going well, but the reality is things were not going well when he left office... and you will never hear him admit that.
     
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    It actually bottomed in Sept 2015

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    And in Jan 2017 was also 0.4% higher.


    https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm
     
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