“Whites Steal African Resources!”

If you think I've violated the forum rules, by all means, have them enforced.

I'm addressing your expressed views. Can you say the same?

 

I told you no such thing.

"Theirs?" Who are you talking about?

I don't understand why you can't grasp that some white folks don't give you a fair shot because they don't like you. They're bigots. Southern whites are notoriously polite--and racist.

 

I made a political career out of identifying and confronting folks' cognitive dissonance.

 

Another appeal to your experience. I don't care about your credentials. I'm looking for a logical argument that refutes my claims.

Magicians will tell you some of the hardest people to astonish with tricks are children because they have not yet had the experiences necessary to exploit. Show them an empty hat, and they will not assume it's empty. They have to stick their hand in it. That's not to say they are hard to fool, but they are much more quick to accept that they have been fooled.

You keep telling me about your experience. All that tells me is why you have been fooled. If I'm the one that has been fooled you need to present an argument.

Instead I get told that race is more than skin color. Am I to assume you've performed genetic tests on all the white conservatives you claim are racist and all the minorites you claim have been oppressed by them? Or, am I to assume you just toss them into buckets based on your assumptions of political affiliation and skin color? Obviously I assume the latter. Can you prove me the fool with the genetic data you've collected?

 

Nope.

Definition of racism


1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

 

Yes it is.

 

You missed the point.

He can't claim that race is more than skin color at the same time he claims that racism will end when whites stop being racist. That's the dissonance he's struggling with.

 

Right. Racism is creating a hierarchy out of perceived racial divisions. Racists don't perform a series of tests before adding an individual into the hierarchy. They just look at someone and assume.

Like looking at a white guy and assuming that his animus is racism because that's what white guys are motivated by...

 

I'm not interested in refuting your poorly explained "claims." They're mostly irrelevant, anyway.

So what?

You're not even interested in what I did in politics that exploited cognitive dissonance.

Just a hint ... I created and executed the strategy used by the teachers' union to openly and publicly defeat all seven radical rightwing members of the school board in a conservative community (there is, for example, a Baptist university located there) and replace them with conservatives. To this day, the openly left union (liberal, not radical) is a respected voice in the still conservative community.

Because you made the absurd claim I focused on skin color.

So, you're back to the skin color BS and now you're adding "assumptions" I supposedly make about political affiliations and skin color.

 

Well that's ironic!

 

Some folks make careers out of being lousy news reporters...

What can I expect though. The whole point is that it's not obvious to the person afflicted.

LM: "Hey look at my credentials. They say that whites did the categorizing long ago. They also say that it's absurd to think that liberals assume that skin color, for example, identifies a defined set of life experiences.

FB: "I don't care about credentials. You just generalized by skin color."

LM: (Hmm. He doesn't care about my credentials because he doesn't know enough about them yet. I better try again.) "I have lots of credentials. My credentials tell me you're a spent force on racism."

FB: "I don't care about credentials."

LM: (Well that didn't work. Should I try something different? Naw. My credentials should be good enough. Let me try those.) "Here's a story about my credentials"

FB "Nope. I don't care about credentials. I care about the conflict that exists in your argument. It's right there plain as day."

LM: (Why isn't this working? I have credentials.)

 

This may be slightly off topic, but this video explains many of the reasons why Africa was unable to develop as a well or as easily as Europe.



It's been difficult for Africa to develop as well as other continents have been able to. It has much to do about the luck of geography and climate. People living in Africa have a tougher time of it, even w/o the horrible despots that have tried to rule over the various nation states.

 

Hilary Clinton had credentials too

 

1) You suggested that I don't see it, or that it's not there. I see it ALL THE FREAKING TIME, and it comes almost exclusively from Progressive Leftists.

2) The white supremacists you seem insistent on defending.

3) Dude, you keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. I'm here trying to convince you that there IS a problem with white 'bigots', and your responses are completely chaotic. One minute you say "it's not happening, so don't say you see it" (paraphrased) - the next minute you're saying "why can't you see it, it's happening!".

 

That you don't see it from white conservatives suggests you are either dissembling or naïve.

Oh, please.

I require no convincing some whites anywhere on the political spectrum are racist.

You're misrepresenting my position.

I notice you haven't acknowledged there are plenty of racist blacks.

 

Just finished 'King Leopold's Ghost' and am now reading a book on the wars in the Congo. While Europeans have been guilty in the past of stealing African resources, the majority of theft in recent years is squarely on the shoulders of the Africans themselves. Whether it be Rwanda occupying and stealing resources from the Eastern Congo or President Kabila (the first one, not Joseph) selling mining rights to support his war efforts in the late 90s.

 

No, you're completely chaotic. If I say yes there are plenty of white bigots, you say 'no there aren't'. If I say there are no white bigots you say 'yes there are'. Your answer is predicated entirely on ideology, not the reality of white bigotry.

Of course there are racist non-whites. Whites are actually the least racist people on the planet.

 

A misrepresentation of what I've said.

Conservative whites in this country are typically more racist than liberal whites.

At least you understand there are racist blacks.

 

I would be curious as to where you got that from. Must be some interesting polling...

 

I'm saying that no, the majority of racists in 2021 are not Conservatives - they're Progressives. That's my own lived experience, and that of many POC. You keep denying that reality (and in so doing deny POC the right to be offended) because it doesn't fit with your preferred narrative.

And when I say that my lived experience is that Conservatives are significantly less racist, you come back and tell me not only that they hate me, but that I must be effectively blind (or words to that effect) not to see it.

In BOTH iterations of your inconsistent position, you're telling me what to think and feel.

 

So no difference than you cons.

 

Your description of your personal experience suggests you may be unaware of a lot of white racism.

I spent 30+ years teaching U.S. history and doing extensive classroom discussion of the impact of racism on the country. Race is also a topic that came up with parents before instruction. My "narrative" has developed over many years of discussions involving literally thousands of people--students, parents, colleagues, and the public through political involvement.

I deny no one the right or option to be offended by race.

I acknowledged you may have worked with non-racist whites, but told you about whites being polite but still discriminating against blacks.

Cut the crap, including your repeated misrepresentation of my views.

 

Dude, I'm not a Conservative.

You crash and burn consistently.

 

You can't help it, can you.

I'm telling you that the MAJORITY of white racism comes from Progressives. It does not come from Conservatives. Conservatives don't give a flying crap about anything but merit .. and that is the essence of colourblindness.

I don't care what your white guy theories (and you can only theorise, because this isn't your walk) are, what ancient history you're clinging to, or what you need to believe - TODAY, it's Progressives who are the white supremacists and racists. No ifs, buts, or maybes. And if you think this lived experience is unique to me, you're even more oblivious than suspected.

 

As I said, maybe you're you unaware of what many white bigots say and do when blacks aren't around. Maybe you look the other way. Maybe where you live makes a difference.

I'm not going to ignore a lifetime of personal experience and 30+ years of professional experience.

This marks you as part of the problem.

Racism is all of our "walk." In the United States, white people in particular should confront other whites over unfair treatment they mete out to blacks. Racism, sexism, homophobia, cultural bigotry ... they continue poisoning society.

Progressives are "white supremacists?" That's absurd. Bigots? You must not be very aware of American history.