Why is the US the most criminally violent ''First World'' nation of all?

I’ll tell you the answer but people here aren’t going to like it. We don’t have a gun problem. We have a black problem.

 

“Adjusting for demographics” hmmm is that when you take out the number of “gang shootings” followed by “crime shootings” and “murders” etc etc etc

called “massaging the facts”

 

No he’s pointing out the same thing I did. If you adjust the percentage of blacks in the us to be comparable to the that of other first world nations, our violent crime rate is comparable to every other first world nation and better than most.

The difference is we have 13% of our poopulation (up to 60% in some large cities) which are black and commit a GROSSLY disproportionate level of violent crime whereas most of those other countries have less than 3% black population.

 

Oh and BTW that 3% of blacks in their countries commit a grossly disproportionate level of violent crime in their country as well. If you increased their black population to 13% like we have, they would have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher rate of violent crime.

 

I mean ffs bro our black population only makes up 13% of our total population with less than 5% of those being males who commit a VAST majority of the violent crime.

That means 5%... let me say that again... FIVE PERCENT of our population is responsible for:

50% of the murder
30% of the forcible rapes
40% of the felony assault
Nearly 50% of the robberies and
40% of the violent arson

 

Did you know that out of ALL the interracial felonies between whites and blacks in the us (of which there are ~500,000 per year) ... in 90% of the cases the black is the offender. NINETY PERCENT.

We don’t have a gun problem, we have a black problem.

 

Yes, I noticed the same thing.

They also have a sky-high number of people who are not Swiss born.

So, blaming drugs and foreigners is not the answer to why Americans are so violent.

 

Did you factor in the population and diversity of both countries?

 

But that’s not what happens. What happens is those black people bring their violence and drugs and gangs with them to those neighborhoods and then the people who were there before simply move away. As they should.

We already tried this remember? Those areas of towns that are now ghettos weren’t massive piles of **** when it was a bunch of white people living there. And then we decided to move in tons of blacks dispersed throughout their neighborhoods and the blacks brought their violence and crime with them. So the white people left.

Remember? They called it white flight and said we were racist. What makes you think doing it again will be any different?

 

10 places I don't think I ever want to visit regardless...

 

Over 25% of Swiss population is foreign born, and they have 4 different languages.

 

It's very hard to say what the problem is.

Guns I think are a red herring.

A lot of the violence is caused by criminal gangs. These guys operate almost strictly in illegal realms of commerce. And they dispute with one another about various areas of territory.

But blaming the games is like blaming the guns there's a deeper reason why people join gangs.

I think there's multiple components affecting this phenomenon.

First and foremost I think our criminal reform system and I hesitate to even call it that is a major problem. Certain crimes seem to be punished a lot harsher based on old sometimes archaic confused that just keep existing for some reason.

But again this is blaming jails and the correctional institutions and that's like blaming guns or games the things people do to get themselves into these places is where that problem starts.

Show in the US are culture is rather stoic about a lot of things. I know this may sound weird to someone from another country to get really Sweden or Germany where people don't talk about the feelings as much as Americans seem to like to talk about their feelings.

But we're real story about the feelings that we perceive as negative. And these are the feelings and thoughts that probably need to be addressed. We seem to place a high value and I'm sure other cultures do this too on social acceptance we all want to fit in as children and a lot of us never grow out of that.

There's also the trauma of being in a family that breaks up this can do some damage. I think this is probably a major cause for drug use and of course prison sentences. And that's kind of a monster that feeds on itself.

I think the only real solution that's going to have any real effect is focusing on helping people avoid starting down this path there's been attempts and they fail miserably and I think that's because politicians get involved and then it's more about public appearances.

But there really needs to be an intervention and childhood I think better access to mental health care, would be a good start. Instead of paying for juvenile facilities which are some of the worst areas in corrections a person could imagine, we focus on rehab we focus on removing kids from abusive parents.

There's a lot of things we can do the reason why we don't do them is it because they're not a good campaign platform. Nobody cares about people in jail or prisoners or kids that act poorly they deserve what they get and that's the attitude of Americans.

And also because nobody pays attention to this system there are some real abuses that happen within it.

So I think a first step would be for us as a nation to care about the least amongst of us a little bit more. I'm not saying reform for murderers rapists and pedophiles but Petty thieves drug users certainly shouldn't be in jail drug dealers Maybe some jail time is appropriate but who needs to be some other things involved there to get them to stop.

The problem is enormous and the causes of it are many and they all feed on one another so these single sentence answers like common Sense gun control or prison reform don't do any good they become slogans and it's just a virtue signal at some point.

Real people have to care. Indifference is the worst.

 

Are you serious right now? How can ANYONE make this statement given the state of San Francisco right now (along with multiple other cities) where they have introduced the first step of your plan of getting rid of jail for petty thieves and engaged in bail reform where they get released immediately as long as they didn’t steal over $1,000 and now they’ve started having 50-100 people smash and grabs of stores.

What do you think is going to happen? Those stores are going to close up shop and leave. Which means the people who have money that enjoy those stores and those who need those jobs are gonna leave. Which means more poverty, more crime and more desperation.

How can you ACTUALLY suggest removing penalty for petty thievery right now?? That is literally unbelievable.

 

I suspected that there would be racist overtones to this issue.

As Canada, Europe and Scandinavian countries had proportionally less immigrants than the US...

But your brilliant 'theory' does not explain why violence is endemic in Mexico and most of Central America.

Nations with few immigrants.

 

Mine does. But you won’t like it lol

 

For the first time, Switzerland has 2 million foreigners living in its midst. As of last year, these non-Swiss – often the subject of political debate – accounted for nearly a quarter of the nation's 8.3 million population.

And the US has 360 million people a much more diversified. Why is anyone trying to compare Switzerland with the US? Try finding a country that is similar to the US in population, diversity and gun laws.

 

I think there are other ways to punish people for crimes like this than locking them up in jail but in order to do that we must first enforce the law. The problem in San Francisco isn't that there's not enough punishment it's that the laws aren't being enforced. So you're talking about an enforcement issue.

A person who commits petty theft must absolutely pay a debt to society. I didn't say anything to suggest that they shouldn't. I just think that they should pay their debt to society not just go to jail and learn how to be better criminals. This could be community service this could be a combination of community service and jail time we can also include fines.

I think you either misunderstood or I miscommunicated.

I didn't. Again the problem you're citing is a problem with enforcement.

 

The OP made he US - Swiss comparison.

As for gun laws, the Swiss laws are far more strict that US. It's practically impossible to get a concealed carry license, and the military which issues rifles to be kept homes is not issuing ammunition for them, so those rifles are strictly for national defense and not for personal use.

As for diversity, Switzerland is probably the most diverse European nation, with 25% foreign population (including 5% muslim) and 4 official languages.

 

Who's blaming foreigners?

Criminality in the African American community is a thoroughly-homegrown domestic issue in America.

 

Most of that foreign population is white Europeans.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Switzerland

 

And most of ours is white Central Americans.

 

I'm sorry I understand the confusion now.

I didn't say get rid of jail for petty thieves I said drug users certainly shouldn't be in jail.

I apologize for that I know it was unclear.

But I was talking about drug users with regard to the statement certainly shouldn't be in jail.

 

First of all it’s not a problem of enforcement by the police. They’re happy to arrest them. But they’re not going to do so when the hyper liberal DAs refuse to prosecute. And they shouldn’t, what purpose does it serve?

But to your idea, I don’t really think you’ve thought this through.

Okay so we remove jail time for petty thievery and we enforce a community service and fines. And if they don’t show up for their community service or pay their fines (which they’re thieves who know the da isn’t going to prosecute, why would they?). What happens then?

Do your hyper liberal DA’s put them in jail for not doing their community service? I think not. You gonna give em some more community service and fines that they aren’t going to show up for or pay?What happens then?

 

They're only white when they shoot a cop, rob a liquor store, drive drunk, etc...

When they apply for college entrance, they're Hispanic.

 

Agreed. It's a problem of enforcement by City officials.

yeah there's definitely failings there too

what the drug users shouldn't be in jail no I stand by that.

I said I don't think drug users should be in jail.

It should be an option at the sentencing phase you do this community service you pay restitution to your victims you prove that you want to be a member of society and will keep you there if you fail then it's to jail. First time offense only.