Ignorance concerning Covid is taking a toll.

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  1. ToughTalk

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    You think you have a gotcha but you don't. Here. Let me squash this. Family history is not avoidable. HOWEVER,

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    Are you doing EVERYTHING you can to prevent heart disease? Yes or no? Are you wearing a mask and practicing social distancing? OOPS I mean eating right and exercising?

    ;)
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry if you stepped in it, but you'll get over it one day.....maybe.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    From January 15, 2021 to October 1, 2021, unvaccinated people were 45 times
    more likely to have an infection with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.

    https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/Cases-and-Deaths-by-Vaccination-Status-11082021.pdf
    Of course, I am behaving as responsibly as most Americans, consistent with the empirical medical data.

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  5. ToughTalk

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    You are aware the mask i linked is designed to help protect those with an immunity disorder? That if they caught ANY kind of virus or infection it could be lethal? But ok...ignore the reality that it exists... if it is a convenient way of allowing you to stay on your high horse or morality. lol.
     
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  7. ToughTalk

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    Are you under the assumption that I think you shouldn't get the vaccine? Because so far I am simply defending the individual's right to choose what's best for them as a choice between them and their family doctor. And that they don't need your stupid left leaning "democratic lol" authoritarian mandates. Nor do they need to be treated like secondary citizens either.

    I've shown you how you can defend yourself ABSOLUTELY from anyone vaccinated or unvaccinated which you refuse to acknowledge (shocker) Because personal responsibility seems to be poison for the left.
     
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    Florida has been the best cure for ignorance regarding C19.
     
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    IOW, the "vaccines" don't work well, but that does not matter.

    BPMM: Big Pharma Money Matters

    New York (CNN Business)The imminent authorization of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine in the United States is a momentous occasion for science, the economy and humanity. The milestone is also a major moneymaker for the companies that developed the vaccines.
    Wall Street analysts are projecting Pfizer and Moderna will generate $32 billion in Covid-19 vaccine revenue -- next year alone.

    That doesn't take into account the goodwill boost these companies will receive by helping to end the worst pandemic in a century. That boost is magnified for Moderna (MRNA), a young biotech company that few people had heard of before 2020 that could now be on the cusp of getting its own FDA authorization.
    Pfizer (PFE) by itself is projected to haul in $19 billion in Covid-19 vaccine revenue in 2021, according to Morgan Stanley. That's on top of an estimated $975 million in 2020 vaccine revenue.”
    CNN, Pfizer and Moderna could score $32 billion in Covid-19 vaccine sales -- in 2021 alone, By Matt Egan, CNN Business, Fri December 11, 2020.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/business/pfizer-vaccine-covid-moderna-revenue/index.html
     
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    They work well enough to account for a 3-fold difference in mortality of republican states vs democrat states, or will you attribute that to masks and distancing?


    False. Show your evidence.

    Ugh, again... it's because those states have larger populations. You need to adjust per capita to get a fair number. When you do that, the red states are at the top.

    Such as?

    Hopefully no real medical professional told you the two were related, except if her reaction might have allowed the lymphoma to be caught sooner.

    As long as you never physically interact with anybody, then it would be true.
     
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    Republican versus Democrat states. You leave out probably all of the information necessary to actually evaluate that. For you it’s political and not science.
     
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    Per capita. Yes. As of this snapshot. Red states are leading the pack. HOWEVER. Currently Blue states are making a strong case of playing "catch up" If they keep leading the infections daily, they will. And we can all swim in the glory of covid!

    Life is full of risk/reward. If you elect to interact with someone then you are taking a risk. Beyond covid but more specific to this thread, with covid. If you dont feel comfortable with the risk, I've posted a mask that can protect you, ABSOLUTLEY.
     
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    Well, lots of things. Here’s an interesting rundown of funny things Republicans and Democrats got wrong.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.br...-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/?amp

    One pull quote example.
    My favorites are ones not mentioned by media though. I find it fascinating Democrats and progressives defend the idea the CDC was correct in recommending very ineffective masks (cloth homemade ones) when excellent quality N95s were available and would have saved thousands of lives.

    Other examples include the belief infection in public was the most important to mitigate against. Such as wearing masks at the store and the park but calling the idea masks are effective in homes pseudoscience.

    The notion most Dems have that innate immunity doesn’t protect from Covid infection is another.
     
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    I was trying to make a clear point but the sad thing is I failed. It was never my intention to talk about risk vs reward and personal freedom and choice. Maybe that is what you were trying to talk about but I was focused on the equivalency comparison.

    I was trying to point out why a comparison between choosing not to take a covid shot and life choices to eat healthy foods or to exercise regularly is a flawed comparison. One is a simple one-off choice the other is a lifestyle choice which takes discipline over an extremely long period of time to achieve.
     
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    So . . . kinda like poor vaccine and mask choices. That's actually a decent comparison, except for the fact that heart disease isn't contagious.
     
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    That's the claim. I'm vaxxed, but, I'm also aware that doesn't prevent me from catching or spreading it, but, hopefully it will help me get to natural immunity in a less harmful manner.

    The haters of the unvaxxed are simply haters. They will always target someone for othering, that's just who they are.
     
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    The unvaxxed are prioritizing rumors they read on social media over scientific fact.
     
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    Hmmm. You're talking about the GOP, right?
     
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    It's flawed to you. It's not flawed to me.

    I think a person has the choice to do the right thing starting every damn day. I think most of the illness taking up precious health care resources are from what is very avoidable circumstances chalked up to piss poor decision making. And yet we never cared.

    A person feels it very personal and private for them to have something they dont want, injected into their system. It's not for you to single them out and judge them. Regardless as to how "easy" you may think the process is. And it's not a "one off" either. We are up to three ****ing shots with moderna promising the next wave of vaccines next year for the decepticon variant. You are going to be chasing that dragon for a few years at least fella.
     
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    I don't hate the unvaxed, I just think they are putting themselves at risk, the older they are, the more the risk
     
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    It's their choice. In broad strokes: "The local knowledge problem" for central planners and those promoting a one size fits all approach.
     
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    I freely admitted in my post I failed. I am not trying to fight you. I believe I understand what you are saying and to a large part agree particularly on the part of personal responsibility . If you do not understand what I am trying to say after my two attempts it speaks more to my failures to communicate. I tried to make it clear but obviously it did not work.
     
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    "one is a simple one off choice"

    To YOU. Not to them. Either through past personal trauma from needles or vaccines or perhaps a distrust from the government or a vaccine that just came out. Or perhaps when you push some people by force into getting something, they instead tend to dig their heels in further and say no.

    It's absolutely comparable.

    You got your point across. I just disagree with it, 100 percent.
     
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