How’s ‘shutting down the virus’ going, Joe

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm. Why wasn't Saudi Arabia on his list then?
     
  2. mswan

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    It would have been on my list.
     
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    Not nearly as effective as being healthy. Do you know the risk of hospitalization/death for healthy people?
     
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    So then would you agree this thread really isn’t about Biden causing Covid deaths and should therefore stand down? Just flame baiting maybe?
     
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    Trump pressured health officials to speed up vaccine approvals and insisted any breakthroughs be touted as major announcements ahead of Election Day. His own people said it wasn't possible, but he proceeded to push for it to happen before the election.
     
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    So are you critical of Trump for locking down?
     
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  7. mswan

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    I’d admit it in private conservation, but never on social media. I want to see Biden and his supporters subjected to at least as much hatred and vitriol as Trump and his supporters received.
     
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    In my county, covid was pretty much shut down in July, and then came delta, spreading like wildfire through the large amount of unvaccinated (at the time 45% in my county), and then also infecting those vaccinated with waning immunity.

    But, before you attack Biden, righties should look at themselves. After all, they are dying at an at least 3 times higher rate from covid than Democrats. It almost seems like they WANT to keep the pandemic going by not getting vaccinated, just to spite Biden.
     
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    Pants, maybe you should think about lowering your expectations.

    Please consider that many of them completed accepted a bald-faced lie about widespread election fraud and have never, ever asked for proof of that. I'm not sure if they might be struggling with Stockholm Syndrome or not as I'm not a mental health professional. However, one does not need to be to recognize the toxic storm he's created in our country.
     
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  10. DaveBN

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    I agree that was the intent. I posed the question because another poster seemed to think it relevant to the discussion.
     
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  11. DaveBN

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    I can accept that.
     
  12. mswan

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    You’ll have to provide some evidence for that.
     
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    Good. I don't trust those bastards.
     
  15. gfm7175

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    Good, we're agreed on that point then.

    IOW, you hold a number of religious beliefs regarding a number of my specifics and you don't have any good science-based arguments to refute them. Got it.

    So you're ready to stand side by side with me to oppose ALL mandates regarding masks, vaccines, and "vaccine passports"? You're ready to stand with the oppressed people of NYC against DeBlowMe's "papers please" COVID tyranny policies?

    I sure can!
    • Mandatory chin diaper wearing.
      • This measure does not work because the pores of the masks are far too large and the virus is far too small. The pore size of most masks being worn is 3+ microns in diameter, meanwhile COVID is only about 0.1 microns in diameter. IOW, COVID will go right through the mask and into a person's respiratory tract. ---SOURCES: engineering specs of various masks, mathematics, science (specifically virology and immunology). There are also issues with masks not being worn properly, not being worn 24/7/365, not being used in a sanitary manner, and on and on, but that's irrelevant due to masks not working in the first place.
    • Mandatory invasive medical procedures.
      • Injections (aka "vaccines")
        • These injections are not vaccines as you know them to be. Vaccines (as you know them) take weakened/inactive virus and inject it into your body so that your adaptive immune system can form immunity to that virus. These mRNA jabs are not doing that... Instead, the idea behind those is injecting "instructions" into your body that instruct your body to create the spike protein that is found on the outside of a COVID virus so that your adaptive immune system can form immunity to the virus that has those spike proteins on the outside of it. This is NOT nearly as effective as natural immunity, in which one's natural exposure to the virus allows one's adaptive immune system to form immunity to the virus. This is a much worse approach than natural immunity is because it pressures the virus to mutate in order to survive, such as spike protein changes, which make the mRNA injections based on a particular spike protein all but useless. The virus continues to be prevalent for much longer than it needs to be if it would just spread through a community naturally and herd immunity would form (as what happened in the Amish community in Lancaster, PA who have long since acquired natural herd immunity to COVID) --- SOURCE: science (specifically virology and immunology)
      • Q-tip shoving deep into nasal cavities (aka "testing")
        • "Testing" does nothing to stop, slow, or prevent the spread of COVID. A test is simply a snapshot in time. A test from earlier this morning says nothing about later this afternoon. A test from yesterday says nothing about today. One could get tested yesterday morning, test negative, and then be COVID positive and be spreading it around the very next day. There is NO reason to test for COVID unless someone is symptomatically sick and wants to know how to most effectively treat the particular ailment that one is afflicted with. Do you incessantly test for flu, common cold, HIV, bronchitis, pneumonia, chicken pox, shingles, etc. etc.?? --- SOURCES: science, mathematics, logic
    • COVID "passport" (in order to buy/sell/participate in society)
      • This idea doesn't work because vaccinated people still catch and spread COVID, plain and simple. IOW, this idea is NOT separating people who aren't catching/spreading it from people who are catching/spreading it, therefore it can't work for that purpose. It CAN work for tyrannically oppressing/controlling people, however... Maybe THAT'S the issue at hand with regard to all of these measures rather than "health"?? --- SOURCES: science, philosophy, history
    • House arrest (aka "lockdowns")
      • Such "lockdowns" always have exceptions, and so long as people are out and about, then people are spreading viruses/bacteria/etc around. Animals are also still out and about, spreading viruses/bacteria/etc around. Airborne viruses are still spreading around even when people stay on their own property. This measure does not stop anything from spreading. --- SOURCES: Physics, science (virology)
    • Targeted destruction of small businesses & people's livelihoods (aka "economic shutdowns" of "non-essential businesses")
      • IF this measure had ANYTHING to do with health, then ALL businesses (whether "essential" or "not") would be shut down, not just small businesses while leaving multinational corporations open for business as "essential". The Biden Regime's unconstitutional and illegal vaccine mandate for private employers would also be targeted towards EVERYONE, not just employers with 100+ employees. That means that these measures are being taken for reasons OTHER THAN "health"... They are being taken for tyranny instead. --- SOURCES: logic, philosophy
    • Erecting plastic barriers at supermarket checkout isles and such.
      • Airborne viruses, such as COVID, simply travel around the barriers. --- SOURCE: physics
    • Wrapping credit card readers, remote controls, and etc in plastic.
      • Viruses simply exist on the plastic wrap instead of the material the item is made out of. --- SOURCE: what should be common sense
    • Suppressing hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as readily available safe and effective treatments so that Big Pharma can come up with a "new treatment" for "government" (aka taypayers) to purchase in order to transfer EVEN MORE money from the working class into the hands of Big Pharma & government "elites".
      • We're seeing this one play out right now with Big Pharma's new "COVID drugs" that will soon be available for people. I think this one is pretty self explanatory.
    • Murdering COVID patients (for "government" (taxpayer) money) by giving them remdesivir and ventilators instead of essential nutrients and ivermectin.
      • I think that Uttar Pradesh and Japan are pretty solid examples of implementing widespread ivermectin usage and seeing cases & deaths (the issues with the methodology behind those numbers notwithstanding) very quickly drop down to near zero.
    Any further questions for me?
     
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    Are they asking political affiliation in the hundreds of forms for admittance to a hospital now? Or is just assumptions?
     
  17. DaveBN

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    Haven’t looked too deeply into the study, here’s on I found on a quick search:

    Abstract
    Early in the COVID-19 pandemic, people living in cities were much more likely than rural residents to become infected with and die from the virus. Beginning in the summer of 2020, however, the proportional increase in virus spread became much greater in rural areas. By March 2021, per capita cases and deaths were greater in nonmetro than in metro areas. Multi-variate regression analysis found that political views were the most important variable explaining per capita COVID-19 cases, while measures of disadvantage were the best predictors of COVID-19 deaths. Counties with high proportions of Trump voters had higher per capita cases, and in nonmetro areas, these counties had higher death rates. Overall, the best predictor of COVID-19 death rates is low levels of educational attainment, high poverty rates, and high minority populations.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ruso.12404
     
  18. Hoosier8

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    You mean mandates that don’t work and never would. How about Biden himself that does not follow his own edicts?
     
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    I've summed up the general leftist position on COVID... If yours differs from that, then feel free to correct how I have presented it. The floor is yours.

    Nope, just passionately opposed to liberals turning the former USA into an oppressive tyrannical communist hellhole.
     
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    Nope. It had to do with national security.
     
  21. mswan

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    Thanks for your response.

    Political views and disease? That study doesn’t make much sense to me. I wonder why such a study was even conducted.
     
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    Nope, those are sources.

    For example, science is defined as a set of falsifiable theories. Those theories themselves are the sources. Mathematics is defined by its axioms. Those axioms (and the proofs that result from them) themselves are the sources.
     
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    More strawmanning. This topic clearly has you too emotional to act in good faith. I’ll save my self the hassle on this one.
     
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    To the point of the thread, what steps has the Biden admin taken to worsen the pandemic and cause more deaths from Covid?
     

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