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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your data do not include 2016-present. I'll help.
    Solar Update September, 2021
    2021 › 09 › 22 › solar-update-september-2021
    area by solar hemisphere 1985 – 2021 ... Breaking down solar activity by hemisphere shows that solar activity ... relative length of the solar cycles. ... Figure 6: F10.7 flux for solar cycles 19 to 25 aligned

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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jack,
    I think we've both made our perspectives clear at this point. I accept the overwhelming scientific consensus based on peer reviewed research by the world's top climate scientists, and the observable evidence of human caused global warming. I won't characterize the folks whose research you accept. Only to say they are far out of the mainstream and often work in fields outside of climate science. I'm done with this back and forth. I leave you with this piece of advice. Don't buy any oceanfront property.
     
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    My view is based on peer-reviewed science. As for consensus:

    ". . . I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.

    Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.

    Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.

    There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period. . . . "

    By Michael Crichton
    Caltech Michelin Lecture January 17, 2003
    Aliens Cause Global Warming
    Thursday, January 31st, 2019
     
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    Rare Blizzard Warning Issued For Hawaii
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    So much for global warming...

    Keeping CO2 levels up at levels more consistent with pre-ice age eras should help us stave of the next glacial advance, but, we can't let our guard down.

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    More CO^2 = More Life.

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    How Earth's natural processes convert CO2 to life.​

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    IF YOU’RE WONDERING whether we’ll do anything about global warming before it destroys civilization, think about this ominous fact: It occupies barely any space in popular culture.

    This contrasts with the gusher of movies and books in the 1960s, ’70s, and ’80s about nuclear war. Anyone old will remember “The Day After,” “War Games,” “The Planet of the Apes,” “99 Luftballons,” and many, many more in which nuclear terror was the central subject or background.

    All of this helped generate a worldwide anti-nuclear movement, which in turn generated a larger audience for anti-nuclear culture, which in turn strengthened the movement — all in a virtuous circle. In other words, we avoided atomic Armageddon in part because we spent lots of time imagining it and so were motivated not to experience it in reality. But with global warming, there are few indications that we’re imagining it at all. We’re blithely stumbling forward in a fog, with little comprehension of the catastrophe we’re stumbling toward.

    https://theintercept.com/2021/12/12/dont-look-up-review-adam-mckay-dr-strangelove/

    All hands to the pump.
     
  7. Jack Hays

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    Good analogy. There was nothing more feckless and injurious to the cause of peace and international security than the anti-nuclear movement.
     
  8. Lee Atwater

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    Yeah, nothing says international stability like more "good guys" with a nuke. (wink)
     
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    Had not the anti-nuclear movement been successfully resisted, it would have destabilized and probably doomed negotiations that in the end produced positive outcomes.
     
  10. Lee Atwater

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    IOW, the anti-nuclear movement was ultimately successful, to the benefit of us all.
     
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    The Greenland Ice Sheet is rapidly melting, having lost 3.8 trillion tons of ice between 1992 and 2018, a new study from NASA and the European Space Agency (ESA) finds. The study combined 26 independent satellite datasets to track global warming's effect on Greenland, one of the largest ice sheets on Earth, and the ice sheet melt's impact on rising sea levels. The findings, which forecast an approximate 3 to 5 inches (70 to 130 millimeters) of global sea level rise by 2100, are in alignment with previous worst-case projections if the average rate of Greenland's ice loss continues.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2940/greenlands-rapid-melt-will-mean-more-flooding/
     
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    Fake News.

    90% of the world's ice is at South Pole and the South Pole's Ice pack is gaining mass. Anyone trying to tell you scary ice balance stories without reference to the South Pole is monkey shining you.

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ns-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

    Not that warmth isn't welcome, it most assuredly is.

    GLOBAL WARMING MAKES THINGS BETTER FOR THE FISH: Melting glaciers may create new Pacific salmon habitat, study finds.

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    Navigating Glacial Melt​
    I like salmon like Kavanaugh likes beer.
    Time for more salmon calling:
     
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    No. It was another hurdle to be surmounted by those doing serious work for peace and security. The anti-nuclear movement was part of the problem, not part of the solution.
     
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    "Essentially, half of the severity of the ongoing megadrought has been attributed to warming temperatures alone -- and without that warming, the drought would arguably not be a megadrought at all," UCLA climate scientist Daniel Swain told ABC News.

    MORE: Climate change may be causing an early start to fire season in the West, experts say
    "For this reason, the temperature-driven portion of this is not going to reverse itself this century -- even if we see a higher precipitation period that otherwise would have broken the megadrought," Swain said.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/megadrought-west-directly-linked-climate-change-experts/story?id=78202024
     
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    That's just attention-seeking. This is from the link in #590.
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    Timeline from 800 AD to present showing dry/wet periods in the Western USA. (Photo: Data from E.R. Cook et al published in Earth Science Reviews, chart by Karl Kahler, Bay Area News Group with annotation added by Anthony Watts)

    The chart above uses data from the 2007 E.R.Cook et al. study showing severe droughts lasting as long as 200 years going back to 1200 years ago. Meanwhile, at the far right, the drought we’ve experienced in the 21st century is clearly evident and minuscule by comparison.

    Clearly there have been long-lasting severe droughts in the Western USA long before the modern occupation of California. California’s weather patterns are clearly at the whims of what patterns occur in the Pacific Ocean, which can have long-term pattern changes lasting decades. One, called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), only became known to science in the 1990’s. NOAA says, “…it is often described as a long-lived El Niño-like pattern of Pacific climate variability. Extremes in the PDO pattern are marked by widespread variations in the Pacific Basin and the North American climate.”

    These mega-droughts and mega-floods all occurred well before “climate change” started being blamed for every weather event. Imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth from “woke media” and keyboard warriors if those events occurred today. . . .
     
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    More fake news. Also Tuvalu’s prime minister says his country is being expected to provide unreasonably robust scientific evidence to prove it is a victim of climate change to qualify for international support. LOL

    Patterns of island change and persistence offer alternate adaptation pathways for atoll nations

    Paul S. Kench, Murray R. Ford & Susan D. Owen

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    Sea-level rise and climatic change threaten the existence of atoll nations. Inundation and erosion are expected to render islands uninhabitable over the next century, forcing human migration. Here we present analysis of shoreline change in all 101 islands in the Pacific atoll nation of Tuvalu. Using remotely sensed data, change is analysed over the past four decades, a period when local sea level has risen at twice the global average (~3.90 ± 0.4 mm.yr−1). Results highlight a net increase in land area in Tuvalu of 73.5 ha (2.9%), despite sea-level rise, and land area increase in eight of nine atolls. Island change has lacked uniformity with 74% increasing and 27% decreasing in size. Results challenge perceptions of island loss, showing islands are dynamic features that will persist as sites for habitation over the next century, presenting alternate opportunities for adaptation that embrace the heterogeneity of island types and their dynamics.
     
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    Yes, Jack, we know, either the physicists you follow say the record setting weather isn't record setting or it isn't due to climate change or it's politically motivated or it's alarmist or etc. Meanwhile, extreme weather ravages the globe as the ice melts, the temperatures go higher, fires rage, and the sea level rises........all in concert with rising levels of CO2. I know, it's a just a coincidence. No worries.
     
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    Sorry, but extreme weather is not increasing, ice is stable or growing, sea level rise is on the same gradual track it has had for centuries, and temperatures have fallen since 2016. Carry on.
     
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    You forgot to say black is white.
     
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    My comment reflects the data, not the hype.
     

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