Bild, citing sources, published a scheme of a possible "attack" on Ukraine, allegedly prepared by Ru

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  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Really....funny if Russkis such good scrappers....SU wouldn't have collapsed and goat herders in Astan wouldn't have kicked your butts.

    Ukranians entered Berlin in 45....Russki NKVD brought up great rear .....if it wasn't for US help in WW2...most Russkis would be lampshades in German living rooms...the first 2 yrs of war....it was nothing but Soviet POW mongrels....where's your Warsaw Pact....?? Easy....up the a$$, that's where....great fighters these vatniks. Russkis most happiest when they've a bottle of vodka and some domestic life form to f***.
     
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  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Destroyer - The neo cons in Washington have been pushing for Ukraine to attack Russia - so they want a war. That's what all the hype is about. One writer in Washington came out and said that if Ukraine can defeat Russia, the Russian people might overthrow Vladmir Putin. Another one said that if they can break up the Federation, then we'll be able to grab 78% of Russia's wealth.

    The idea of working with Russia and gaining from it never enters their minds, they can only think in terms of aggression and coveting from others.

    As for this supposed invasion by Russia forces, has me thinking that Ukraine might be planning to invade Donetsk and Lugansk on those dates, and so they started the lies about Russia being the aggressor early on. Either that, or Putin's playing games with them.


    Russia never sent armed men to Ukraine since it would have been illegal. Only the US could get away with something like that since it makes up its own laws. I read in a foreign paper at the time, that there were American agents on the military plane that was shot down at the start of the war and when the militias tried to hand them over to the US, they refused to accept them for fear the American people would find out.

    As for the Russians fighting in Ukraine, they were not under orders, they were volunteers who fought on their free time. According to the OSCE guards, the Russians entered Ukraine with their uniforms but without guns or passports. They would pick up guns at a depot, and then go to a range to test them out.

    Now to be honest, I suspect that many of the volunteers were actually Ukrainians who were trained in the Russian army or by private contractors to fight to free their country from the Junta. That this possibility was never mentioned, might have been to protect their families and relatives back in Ukraine so they wouldn't be killed by the nationalists.


    Now to go even further in what you said. I did read that there are many nationalists without arms and legs from the fighting. As for the Ukrainian conscripts, they were given only 2 weeks training and if they wanted armor they had to pay for it themselves - which means the survival rate was very low. Of course this might have been intentional by the junta, so they could ethnically cleanse the Russian, Hungarian and Russyn conscripts. I wouldn't put anything past them.

    At Debaltsevo, the officers were told by Kiev to leave in light vehicles and have the men follow them in heavy vehicles after being caught in a cauldron. This was after the militia had told the Ukrainians to go home, but to leave the heavy vehicles behind. Needless to say the officers survived, and the conscripts died.

    Out of an army of 6 thousand, 3 thousand men died, and the survivors said that most had died from friendly fire since they didn't know how to man the guns.
     
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  3. Jeannette

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    In one week, Russia will be in Kiev and they will be greeted with bouquets of flower - so saith a Ukrainian Saint.

    And thus, all the problems of Ukraine will be solved, because unlike those who enticed the Galatian nationalists with lies and caused the deaths of thousands, Vladimir Putin as a true statesman, will establish a workable situation - and one that will be the will of the Ukrainian people.

    As for the Galatians, they can run off to Canada and be with their brethren, because frankly I don't think Poland or Germany wants them. This way Poland can take back Lviv, and everyone will be happy.
     
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    Funny...Mafialand has been in DPR for 7 yrs and hasn't been able to move an inch....no one greeted them with flowers Jen?....so how could they be in Kyiv in a week?

    BTW....which Ukrainian Saint said this?
     
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  5. Destroyer of illusions

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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:Learn history.:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Uhh...no.

    I suggest you try learn it.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nah! I wouldn't worry, the Americans can just follow the Ukrainians.



    (Sing to the tune of 42nd Street)
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    Hear the beat
    of the trampling feet.
    When the Ukies run
    from the Russian gun
    in Putin's fait 'ccompli.
    -Jeannette
     
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    The US and Russia had come to an agreement in Syria, and most of the time the Americans and their allies abided by it. When they didn't they suffered accordingly - like the time a secret control center with US, UK, Israeli, Turkish and Saudi agents was ripped apart by the Russians.

    Frankly I think Putin and Biden are playing games. Biden knows Ukraine is going to attack Donetsk and Lugansk during the games in China when Putin and Xi will be distracted, because that what our client states do, and Putin knows it as well so Russia is well prepared..


    When the Russian troops took control of Crimea not one life was lost, and knowing Putin, he will see to it that very few if any innocent lives will be lost in Ukraine as well. His plan is probably to grab Kiev and the control centers so they can call off the fighting. Besides, by grabbing Kiev and closing off the exits, the criminals won't be able to escape.

    When the fighting first started, Vladimir Putin had all the atrocities and testmonies written down in what he calls his White Books. He was hoping some day to hold a trial similar to the one at Nuremburg. If there's a war, maybe he'll get his wish.

    Of course I'm just speculating here!
     
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    Russia will save itself from embarrassment from what? Putin has set his red lines, and Russia never makes empty threats. They consider it a weakness.
     
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    Then why wouldn't Russia stop moving troops in large numbers around Ukrainian border if it indeed doesn't mean any threat to anybody? That would be really nice of her
     
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    Why do you think that Ukraine will invade Russia? That would be suicide! And if we decide to help Ukraine directly with troops then it would not be a proxy war into and at Russia's border. And that's when the nuclear weapons fly.

    That has me thinking that the West will not come to Ukraine's aid if they invade Russia. I'm not saying they will or they won't. This is just an opinion.
     
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    Donetsk and Lugansk are part of Russia??....Ukraine is just taking back its occupied territory.
     
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    Sorry, I misread her post.
     
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    Russia is not on Ukraine's border, its troops are 200 kilometers away. But that's beside the point, they can do whatever they want in their own country and they would be stupid not to be prepared to defend the people of Donetsk and Lugansk from a possible genocide.

    Here are some of the stupidities that have been written up by the neo cons these past 2 months in Washington.

    One writer suggested that if there was a war between Ukraine and Russia, and Russia was to lose a battle, then maybe the people will get rid of Vladimir Putin. Another writer said that if they could break up the Russian Federation, then they could take 78% of Russia's wealth. We're talking about sociopaths here.

    I think there will be a war. I can't see it otherwise considering the mind set of neo cons such as Nuland and Schiff. The whole Russiagate thing was that they feared Trump might pull a Reagan and make amends with Russia.
     
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    According to the Minsk II agreement, Donetsk and Lugansk would remain part of Ukraine, but with special privileges. Kiev was to start talks with the 2 Republics so they could start integrating.

    Kiev never held talks with them. They also stopped banking with them and they stopped their pensions. This forced Russia to put them on the Ruble, and to pay their pensions. There were other things as well, and because of it, they became more integrated with Russia.

    It seems the junta in Kiev wants the wealth of the Donbas area, but not the inhabitants. So if they attack the Republics they will start killing the people.

    Recently Zalensky has been pushing for talks with Vladimir Putin and Putin refused. He said they are trying to push Russia into it, when it's a domestic issue and they must talk with the leaders of the Republics as specified in Minsk II.

    Russia in order to ease the people's fears, offered citizenship to any Ukrainian who wants it, so now if Kiev attacks, they will be killing Russian citizens, and that gives Russia a legal right to enter the war.
     
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    One of the main driving factors to this saber rattling is American stupidity. US taxpayers have sent the corrupt oligarchs about 1 billion dollars in the last 3-4 years. A very very small portion of that was used to 'buy' weapons from us. That makes zero sense but that is the swamp in DC. 1/2 a billion was to be used to restore infrastructure in the Donbass. Not one red cent has been spent there. Electricity comes from Russia.

    As long as the idiots in DC keep feeding the Ukies cash, the Ukies will keep using Russia as the boogie man.
     
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    You guys are gonna BREAK those sabres if you keep rattling 'em like that.

    Which is all that's happening here. Putin knows he hasn't half the wherewithal required to break Ukraine (one of the world's bigger weapons merchants btw) and the American arms makers are watching in some alarm as the Congress decides to actually fix some bridges instead of throwing several trillion more dollars at them. I wonder how much Lockheed has paid Vladimir to send all those Spetsnaz for a Georgian vacation.
     
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    Who said anything about Jews?

    I specifically said Zionist Jews. You know, as opposed to Reform Jews, or Orthodox Jews, not that you would actually know or understand the difference.
     
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    Show us when in history they've done that.

    Do you remember the fiasco in Kosovo? Probably not, since you weren't there.

    The Russians took over the airport. And they did that with surprising speed overnight, much to the chagrin and embarrassment of the US and NATO who had no idea they were going to do that.

    When did the Russians ever threaten to blockade Berlin?

    That's a trick question, since they never did.

    Oh, that's right... I forgot....you're only aware of the first blockade of Berlin and have no knowledge of the dozens of blockades that took place after that up through 1974 when the US caved-in and agreed to recognize the DDR as a separate independent State.

    When did the Russians threaten to seal off the Eastern Territory? Oh, that's right....they didn't which is why JFK and the US and NATO got caught with their pants down.

    When did the Russians threaten to put SS-4s and SS-5s in Cuba in response to hostile American aggression with the deployment of Jupiter IRBMs to Italy and Turkey?

    They didn't, but that's not why JFK got caught with his pants down. Eisenhower repeatedly warned JFK not to follow through with the missible deployment until something was done about Castro. JFK ignored Eisenhower and then caved-in to Russia's demand to remove the Jupiters, which the US had all Jupiters removed before the very first Russian nuke left Cuba in October of 1965 and the last in August 1967.

    When did the Russians threaten to send troops at the request of the government in Afghanistan? Oh, they didn't, which is why Carter got caught with his pants down.

    Remember Prague Spring? When did the Russians threaten to invade Hungaria and Czechoslovakia?

    They didn't.

    Seeing a pattern yet?

    If you're not seeing a pattern, I can list a few 100 other situations.

    Obviously, your poster-child doesn't know what he's talking about or doesn't understand the meaning of "Political Rhetoric."
     
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    Your assumption of what I know and do not know is very telling. I grew up in Scarsdale, NY back in the day when it was 98% Jewish. I know a lot about the Jews, thank you. Why do you think you know so much and others know so little? Are you that young?
     

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